American Eagle....Opinions from people who know

[siucavflight]

Instead of being junior manned, why dont you just turn your phone off?

 

[crashmbern]

Obviously you have a great grasp on the industry there junior. Read the subject. Opinions from people who know American Eagle. Maybe you could give us your opinion on how to do a lazy-8 but stick with what you know.

I flew for Eagle for 7 years. Unfortunately for the regional side of the industry Eagle's contract is becoming better and better due to default. We all know about upgrade times and I would have to say that is their drawback. Training department is very good, flight crews are great. The most I miss about Eagle are the people I had the opportunity to fly with.

well i should have referenced the guy who posted that it would take 13 years to get through all the furloughs at eagle. with 4000 AA guys retiring it won't take that long for the flowbacks to be back at AA.

 

[FlameNSky]

Instead of being junior manned, why dont you just turn your phone off?

Personally, per Eagle's "wonderful" contract, they JM me while on duty the day prior.

 

[FinalApproach]

Hi all,
- Is senority based on DOB?
-Can MIA be 1st choice?
-Mostly ATRs in MIA?
-How long reserve?


Thanks

 

[crashmbern]

Seniority is based on DOB. They have been actually putting new hires into MIA instead of SJU which is weird. So it a possibility, even if you get SJU you can transfer to MIA when there is a vacancy. Keep in mind though that there might not be ATRs in your new hire class. It could just saab, or even a few classes have been all jets, if your lucky. I sat reserve for 2 months in SJU before i got a line.

 

[FoxyWhiskey]

Eagle Flight, but not for long (hopefully)

I've been here ar AE 4 years, and my wage is finally liveable for SoCal. I stay here for now because I like the California flying in the Saab and the commute from the out station where I live is awesome. I LOVE and use my flight benefits and have a great time flying/working with 99% of the crewmembers, but that's where the fun usually ends.

Once I get my logbook caught up around the holidays, I am going to seriously consider flying for another carrier, or possibly try to go cargo if the hours look good. I personally am sick of AMR in general and not a fan of crew scheduling or some of the dirtbag managers & supervisors that run the stations on the ground (I have seen missing teeth, house slippers, tube socks and hair curlers on the station supervisor checking people in...and that's just one lady in KSAN...GPU pull-aways....and we were overloaded in C-2 three times in one day at as many stations), but overall a fairly decent place to work if you can just stay in the cockpit, hope for a properly loaded quick turn and no FLO into LAX.

Just my humble opinion...LOL

-FW

 

[aa73]

2) It takes another lawsuit to make sure that the Eagle pilots with numbers are included in the recall, and when that suit is won, another 7 months are added to that time, and...

Just curious Eagle-ista, why should Eagle piots with numbers get "recalled" to AA if they were never "furloughed" from AA to begin with? Yes, they had numbers here but they never flowed through. As such, they can flow through only when there is a "new hire" class, not a "recall."

Do you know any differently?

73

 

[flyby]

Just curious Eagle-ista, why should Eagle piots with numbers get "recalled" to AA if they were never "furloughed" from AA to begin with? Yes, they had numbers here but they never flowed through. As such, they can flow through only when there is a "new hire" class, not a "recall."

Do you know any differently?

73

73,

What difference does it make anyway? I am willing to bet over 95% of those Eagle flowthroughs will decline the flowthrough when it finally comes... if it even can come. The agreement expires in 2007. If the flowthrough guys never made it to AA and the agreement expires wouldn't you argue that they were never AA pilots, never on the property and the contract supporting them is now gone?

What are we talking about, a total of 25 (less than 5% of 500ish) pilots that might flow up? In fact, I would bet you the beverage of your choice that an informal poll would show that there are more flowbacks that want to stay at Eagle than there are flowthrough Eagle guys that want to flow-up.

The company has a tidal wave of hardships to process unless they find a way to re-figure the whole Letter 3 supplement. I say they poll the flowthroughs and allow them to change their status. Then delete that many flowback positions from Eagle and master shuffle the entire AE list.

What do you think?

 

[Flyby1206]

73,


What are we talking about, a total of 25 (less than 5% of 500ish) pilots that might flow up? In fact, I would bet you the beverage of your choice that an informal poll would show that there are more flowbacks that want to stay at Eagle than there are flowthrough Eagle guys that want to flow-up.

The company has a tidal wave of hardships to process unless they find a way to re-figure the whole Letter 3 supplement. I say they poll the flowthroughs and allow them to change their status. Then delete that many flowback positions from Eagle and master shuffle the entire AE list.

What do you think?

I agree that most all AE CAs I know with a # dont want to flowthrough at this point, mainly due to age. Was there something in the contract language about 'time-to-captain' and flowing through after that point?

 

[BoDEAN]

left Eagle after 6 years for SKyWest!!

You must have taken a huge paycut doing that, no? Buddy of mine left Mesaba after 6 yrs for Skywest, and took a huge cut.

 

[BoDEAN]

That is because we just had so many guys get fed up and quite that everyone is getting a composite and we have about a third of our normal reserves. That means that all those composite line holders are going to be flying well over 90 hrs and have only 8 days off after all the junior manning that is going on. I have already lost 2 of my off days to JM and it's only the second day of the month!

If we lose any more pilots to greener pastures, we can say that all new hires will get a hard line immediately out of IOE. But since we won't have any composite/reserve line holders, is that really a good thing?

My advice, go elsewhere... you'll still be flying under some crappy regional contract but at least you will be doing it as a Captain. CHQ or SKW are way better options. (Having friends at both airlines, just my opinion)

I think crash is FO on the ATR at Eagle.

 

[amaineiac]

Just curious Eagle-ista, why should Eagle piots with numbers get "recalled" to AA if they were never "furloughed" from AA to begin with? Yes, they had numbers here but they never flowed through. As such, they can flow through only when there is a "new hire" class, not a "recall."

Do you know any differently?

73

Do they pick numbers out of a hat when they recall, or do they do it by seniority number? If it's by seniority number (and it is), why wouldn't they recall AE guys with numbers? Our discussion here is really irrelevant since this will go to an arbitrator....as usual.

 

[Los]

Anyone know what the eagle road show is like.

How many days out.
How many off.

I am in Miami. What are the chances of getting base there?
(this would make reserve a breeze).

My preference is the ATR props.
Dont ask why, I just like the nostalgia.

Flying for fun, I hope to generate enough funds with my part time biz to feed myself.

Right now I CFI part time and do the biz part time. CFI pay is @ $15 with top pay at $24 for the MEIs. So I would consider Eagle an upgrade.


Also, please explain this JM that most folks are complaining about.

 

[aa73]

Do they pick numbers out of a hat when they recall, or do they do it by seniority number? If it's by seniority number (and it is), why wouldn't they recall AE guys with numbers? Our discussion here is really irrelevant since this will go to an arbitrator....as usual.

Hi Amaineiac, (and the other two that questioned my post)

It is indeed by seniority number. But it is by *furloughed* AA seniority number. Here is the link: http://www.alliedpilots.org/Members/Contract/2003/Eagle/Kasher_Supp_W_Opinion_081203.PDF

Page 5, sec III(D) clearly states that if a CJ pilot accepts the flowthrough, he/she will be placed in the next *new hire* class at AA. A *new hire* class means that we are hiring, and is not the same as a recalled furloughee class, when we are not.

I understand the concept that no Eagle CA would want to flow up anymore. But regardless of the few flowthroughs that would take it, our furloughed AA pilots will get recalled first, per the contract. Then, when AA starts hiring again, these flowthrough CAs would have the chance to do it (if anyone really wants to.)

I guess I just don't see why this would go to arbitration, when it is clear that *furloughees*, not AE flowthroughs, are recalled in seniority order.

Cheers,
73

 

[CitationLover]

printed contracts mean nothing. ours states...

III. Employment Opportunities at AA for AMR Eagle, Inc. Pilots
A. At least one (1) out of every two (2) new hire positions per new hire class
at AA will be offered to CJ Captains who are line pilots and who have
completed their IOE at AMR Eagle, Inc. Such positions will be offered to
the CJ Captains who are line pilots in order of their AMR Eagle, Inc.
seniority.


we all know how that was followed, it was more like 1 in 30.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

My Two cents:

THe Training department is probably (it is) the best i've ever dealt with, bar none.
The crews I flew with were top notch, and have many friends still there today.
The equipment was decent, and i worked the system enought to get a decent schedule.

THats where the pluses end...

After 7 years of dealing withe the BS that scheduling and management threw upon us in heaps and piles, i finally got some balls and left.... And Low and Behold, my blood pressure dropped, i was a happy person at home again, and I love my profession still.

Is it a stable place? Sure is. Is it a good first airline job?? I think so.
Want to stay sane after a few years of dealing witht the Texas Mafioso style of management and doctorine? Do you want your mental health to remain?
Build your time and find a better place.

I did, and i am a better person for it.

 

[snap145]

Anyone know what the eagle road show is like.

How many days out.
How many off.

I am in Miami. What are the chances of getting base there?
(this would make reserve a breeze).

My preference is the ATR props.
Dont ask why, I just like the nostalgia.

Flying for fun, I hope to generate enough funds with my part time biz to feed myself.

Right now I CFI part time and do the biz part time. CFI pay is @ $15 with top pay at $24 for the MEIs. So I would consider Eagle an upgrade.


Also, please explain this JM that most folks are complaining about.

los..i dont fly for Eagle so i dont want to even begin to answer the actual questions about the line flying there....but to answer you jm question....it stands for junior manning...it bassicly when the company "tries" to get a hold of you on your day off and "strongly suggest" that you go fly....the trick is to not answer the phone if you actually want a day off.....

 

[AV1ATRX]

los..i dont fly for Eagle so i dont want to even begin to answer the actual questions about the line flying there....but to answer you jm question....it stands for junior manning...it bassicly when the company "tries" to get a hold of you on your day off and "strongly suggest" that you go fly....the trick is to not answer the phone if you actually want a day off.....

That's only half right. Their favorite juniorman tactic is to "extend" you at the end of your trip. So you get back, think you're going home, and BAM! You've got another overnight to go on. This is what they do because nobody at home on their day off is dumb enought to answer the phone when it says "UNAVAILABLE".

 

[siucavflight]

So far they have really impressed me, and what will make it really easy for me is that I got a base that is a 15 minute drive from my house, so I am really excited about my decision to be here, everyone is friendly and the instruction has been top notch. And what is really great is that out of IOE I should be able to hold a line within two months at the most, the most junior man in ORD now is holding a composite line. IMO this place is top notch!

 

[Swaayze]

Eagle actually is a decent regional to work for....IF you don't commute, get off reserve quickly, and don't mind waiting a long time to upgrade.