American Eagle....Opinions from people who know

[siucavflight]

The title says it all, if you have actual experience with this company what are your thoughts on it?

 

[bmpilot2003]

If you want to be an FO for 7 years then this is the company for YOU. Other than that people were nice in LA. I never got off reserve before i left, also i only flew about 100 hours in 4 months on reserve.

 

[siucavflight]

If you want to be an FO for 7 years then this is the company for YOU. Other than that people were nice in LA. I never got off reserve before i left, also i only flew about 100 hours in 4 months on reserve.

Were you on the Saab? Also I believe that the upgrade time will be coming down, you have to remember that they did not hire anyone for almost three years, so when the last FO is upgraded from 2001 the upgrade time will go down by three years.

But what I am more interested in is how you were treated? What was the attitude of the people there? How long were you there?

 

[bmpilot2003]

Were you on the Saab? Also I believe that the upgrade time will be coming down, you have to remember that they did not hire anyone for almost three years, so when the last FO is upgraded from 2001 the upgrade time will go down by three years.

But what I am more interested in is how you were treated? What was the attitude of the people there? How long were you there?

I was treated well both in training and on-line. The people there were nice, although most held a bitterness towards the company. It seemed like there were many people there that felt they were stuck between a rock and a hard place. They had spent 5+ years there as an FO and now had a family to support. So it wasnt feasible for them to go to another company and start at the bottom. Most of these people had been displaced from captain once if not twice.
I was there for july-dec 04, 5 months. Never really wanted to be there, i was on the saab in LA. As for upgrade goes it will not come down unless AA recalls. AA has 3000+ on the street with about 500 of thoughs people working for eagle. AA hasnt recalled yet and doesnt look like they will recall for at least the next year probably longer.

 

[cbogacz]

at amr your just a # scheduling abuses everyone capts. are having to fly as Fo's in chicago I flew 85 hrs in sept sitting airport ready (bidding mistake) good place to get a lot of sic emb time been here since may and can hold a composite line in chicago only gives me 11 days off which they try jm me on anyway wouldn't recomend this place QOL sucks I'm personally trying to get on with skybest or anyone else based out of chicago hope this helps Pm me if you have any other questions

 

[eaglefly]

Been here 20 years.................

What would you like to know ?

Whom in particular are you concerned about when you refer to "treatment" ?

Spacifics ?

 

[V2plus25]

I had loads of fun flying the ATR in SJU and DFW. Sure, I had to leave after 4 years to try and get some turbine PIC, but I really did enjoy my time there. The paychecks never bounced once.

 

[oceandude]

Some of the best people I ever flew with! SJU was a blast!!

 

[NRHPilot]

Could be worst places to be.

 

[Atccfi]

Not that bad....

Take away the looming upgrade issue and eagle is a pretty good place to be imo... It all depends on what you want out of it, and what you make of it.... a 3 year upgrade at a company is a GREAT thing for the pilot who was hired 3 years AGO!!! It doesn't mean squat to the guy who is hired today... We've got a decent contract, if you know how to work it. If you come in hoping to fly the new shiny jet, you'll be disapointed... bid the prop, your life will be much better.... once you have a little seniority go to the jet, and you won't suffer that much QOL... Don't get me wrong, the company has its issues, but what company doesn't? Air willie pilots bitch about schedules, XJT doesn't know wether they'll have enough planes to fly for their current pilots, skywest, ASA, Republic, they've all got issues.... and AE has the recall, card.... when, and I cautiously say when, AA recalls, you'll be sitting pretty, alot of movement will be happening....

 

[Eagle-ista]

Take away the looming upgrade issue and eagle is a pretty good place to be imo... It all depends on what you want out of it, and what you make of it.... a 3 year upgrade at a company is a GREAT thing for the pilot who was hired 3 years AGO!!! It doesn't mean squat to the guy who is hired today...

The training at American Eagle is some of the best in the industry. Training in the AA training center is very inspiring, if not misleading.

We've got a decent contract, if you know how to work it.

sorry, you just lost credibity with that statement...

when, and I cautiously say when, AA recalls, you'll be sitting pretty, alot of movement will be happening....

Let's do the math...

There are over 3,000 pilots on furlough at AA. There are about 350 Eagle RJ Captains with numbers as well, and another 400+ AA "flow-backs" on the property at Eagle. Those numbers are pretty well substantiated.

IF American was to start hiring again tomorrow, and at a reasonable rate of say 50 pilots a month, just less than the 80/month at AA's peak in the late 90s, this is what happens...

1) It takes 150 months to recall the furlouged pilots, and...
2) It takes another lawsuit to make sure that the Eagle pilots with numbers are included in the recall, and when that suit is won, another 7 months are added to that time, and...
3) Eagle keeps the AA flowbacks on property long enough to replace them with new hires. This won't add any time to the schedule, just something that will go wrong with the mechanism that is the Eagle contract. And, believe me, things will go wrong.

The total: 157 months before AA hires one pilot off the street.

13 years...

Keep in mind the Flow-through agreement expires in 2007. Also keep in mind that AA, with it's reduced schedule may not need that many pilots unless there is a MAJOR turn-around in this business.

I was at Eagle 9 years. I resigned earlier this year when I realized that your headache goes away after you stop beating your head against a wall. I saw good pilots get fired and poor, and I do mean poor pilots upgraded. While that happens at every airline, Eagle seemed particularly vicious.

If you are planning on a stay at Eagle, develop an exit strategy and keep it. Use Eagle for what it is, a place to get experience on your way to a real job.

 

[amcnd]

left Eagle after 6 years for SKyWest!!

 

[Gofish]

Left eagle after 10 months.

 

[Atccfi]

IF American was to start hiring again tomorrow, and at a reasonable rate of say 50 pilots a month, just less than the 80/month at AA's peak in the late 90s, this is what happens...

1) It takes 150 months to recall the furlouged pilots, and...

The total: 157 months before AA hires one pilot off the street.

13 years...

Eagle-ista, glad you have found greener pastures, and I am sorry your time here was so horrible.... but tell me where I am missing something....
3000 pilots on furlough, 50 a month by your estimate.... how do you get 150 months to recall them???? My calculations show 60 months and that is with a 100% recall rate.... what is the typical recall rate? 50%, maybe less.... you're looking at 5 yrs with 100% recall, 2.5 with 50%..... and that is to get on at AA, which is not the point of this thread.... Yes, everyone hates eagle, and it is the worst place ever to be, blah blah blah. We have a decent working environment compared to most other regionals. Junor Manning, short staffing, crappy pay, bad QOL, is going on everywhere, not just here. Its called worker productivity.... You hear a lot worst things being said about other regionals other than eagle. I'm not drinking the kool-aid, just looking at the overall picture. I wasn't saying come to eagle, you'll be a captain as soon as AA recalls. I was simply stating that once AA recalls alot of the haters will be wishing they were here.....if not sooner.

 

[labbats]

When you start bumming out about Eagle, just jumpseat on Mesa. Cheers me up every time.

I stay because my family chews right through our flight benefits (one of the best around) and once you hold a line the contract is there for you. Latest is that a composite is running around 6 months for ORD jet, nowhere near the 2 years I floundered on reserve.

Will you upgrade quicker at Skywest? Yes. Are the flight attendants hotter? Unbelievably. But if Eagle calls first, I'd take the job. That goes for any regional other than Blowjets. No training contract like at Mesa, and Chautauqua, etc. so you can leave whenever you like.

Don't listen to any of the AA blather. Every captain on property has been wronged by either ALPA or APA and will gladly fill your flight with his/her rationale because of it. No one knows when recalls are and you'd be wise to ignore the rumors. This place will be a lot better when they happen, and that's the only sure thing around here.

With all that said, the variety of flying is good, the people are good, and the QOL for regionals is around average, if not a little better.

 

[crashmbern]

add in that 4000 AA pilots will recall in the next 9 years.

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

add in that 4000 AA pilots will recall in the next 9 years.

Obviously you have a great grasp on the industry there junior. Read the subject. Opinions from people who know American Eagle. Maybe you could give us your opinion on how to do a lazy-8 but stick with what you know.

I flew for Eagle for 7 years. Unfortunately for the regional side of the industry Eagle's contract is becoming better and better due to default. We all know about upgrade times and I would have to say that is their drawback. Training department is very good, flight crews are great. The most I miss about Eagle are the people I had the opportunity to fly with.

 

[FlameNSky]

Latest is that a composite is running around 6 months for ORD jet, nowhere near the 2 years I floundered on reserve.

That is because we just had so many guys get fed up and quite that everyone is getting a composite and we have about a third of our normal reserves. That means that all those composite line holders are going to be flying well over 90 hrs and have only 8 days off after all the junior manning that is going on. I have already lost 2 of my off days to JM and it's only the second day of the month!

If we lose any more pilots to greener pastures, we can say that all new hires will get a hard line immediately out of IOE. But since we won't have any composite/reserve line holders, is that really a good thing?

My advice, go elsewhere... you'll still be flying under some crappy regional contract but at least you will be doing it as a Captain. CHQ or SKW are way better options. (Having friends at both airlines, just my opinion)

 

[TheRaven]

64 hours per month in training and 16 hrs per diem a day, coupled with paid hotel room (double occupancy til simulator training) is also kind of nice....you arent starting out in a hole by paying your own hotel while not being paid.

Ultimately, you will either be happy or unhappy wherever you go...the specific company doesnt matter.....might as well try out AE if the opportunity presents itself.

 

[tommyknock83]

I just left eagle for skywest, i was there for about 9 months in SJU. It was an awesome experience and a great first airline. I had the most fun in San Juan i've ever had in my life, but it is what you make of it. Eagle treated me really well, and I personally had no complaints. Had to leave when skywest called though, only reason being upgrade. The pay for newhires is descent as far as regionals go, the bases are prime, and the flying benefits are among the best as previously stated. Think about whats important to you and go for whatever is best for the type of life you want to live. Just my opinion...peace

 

[siucavflight]

Instead of being junior manned, why dont you just turn your phone off?

 

[crashmbern]

Obviously you have a great grasp on the industry there junior. Read the subject. Opinions from people who know American Eagle. Maybe you could give us your opinion on how to do a lazy-8 but stick with what you know.

I flew for Eagle for 7 years. Unfortunately for the regional side of the industry Eagle's contract is becoming better and better due to default. We all know about upgrade times and I would have to say that is their drawback. Training department is very good, flight crews are great. The most I miss about Eagle are the people I had the opportunity to fly with.

well i should have referenced the guy who posted that it would take 13 years to get through all the furloughs at eagle. with 4000 AA guys retiring it won't take that long for the flowbacks to be back at AA.

 

[FlameNSky]

Instead of being junior manned, why dont you just turn your phone off?

Personally, per Eagle's "wonderful" contract, they JM me while on duty the day prior.

 

[FinalApproach]

Hi all,
- Is senority based on DOB?
-Can MIA be 1st choice?
-Mostly ATRs in MIA?
-How long reserve?


Thanks

 

[crashmbern]

Seniority is based on DOB. They have been actually putting new hires into MIA instead of SJU which is weird. So it a possibility, even if you get SJU you can transfer to MIA when there is a vacancy. Keep in mind though that there might not be ATRs in your new hire class. It could just saab, or even a few classes have been all jets, if your lucky. I sat reserve for 2 months in SJU before i got a line.

 

[FoxyWhiskey]

Eagle Flight, but not for long (hopefully)

I've been here ar AE 4 years, and my wage is finally liveable for SoCal. I stay here for now because I like the California flying in the Saab and the commute from the out station where I live is awesome. I LOVE and use my flight benefits and have a great time flying/working with 99% of the crewmembers, but that's where the fun usually ends.

Once I get my logbook caught up around the holidays, I am going to seriously consider flying for another carrier, or possibly try to go cargo if the hours look good. I personally am sick of AMR in general and not a fan of crew scheduling or some of the dirtbag managers & supervisors that run the stations on the ground (I have seen missing teeth, house slippers, tube socks and hair curlers on the station supervisor checking people in...and that's just one lady in KSAN...GPU pull-aways....and we were overloaded in C-2 three times in one day at as many stations), but overall a fairly decent place to work if you can just stay in the cockpit, hope for a properly loaded quick turn and no FLO into LAX.

Just my humble opinion...LOL

-FW

 

[aa73]

2) It takes another lawsuit to make sure that the Eagle pilots with numbers are included in the recall, and when that suit is won, another 7 months are added to that time, and...

Just curious Eagle-ista, why should Eagle piots with numbers get "recalled" to AA if they were never "furloughed" from AA to begin with? Yes, they had numbers here but they never flowed through. As such, they can flow through only when there is a "new hire" class, not a "recall."

Do you know any differently?

73

 

[flyby]

Just curious Eagle-ista, why should Eagle piots with numbers get "recalled" to AA if they were never "furloughed" from AA to begin with? Yes, they had numbers here but they never flowed through. As such, they can flow through only when there is a "new hire" class, not a "recall."

Do you know any differently?

73

73,

What difference does it make anyway? I am willing to bet over 95% of those Eagle flowthroughs will decline the flowthrough when it finally comes... if it even can come. The agreement expires in 2007. If the flowthrough guys never made it to AA and the agreement expires wouldn't you argue that they were never AA pilots, never on the property and the contract supporting them is now gone?

What are we talking about, a total of 25 (less than 5% of 500ish) pilots that might flow up? In fact, I would bet you the beverage of your choice that an informal poll would show that there are more flowbacks that want to stay at Eagle than there are flowthrough Eagle guys that want to flow-up.

The company has a tidal wave of hardships to process unless they find a way to re-figure the whole Letter 3 supplement. I say they poll the flowthroughs and allow them to change their status. Then delete that many flowback positions from Eagle and master shuffle the entire AE list.

What do you think?

 

[Flyby1206]

73,


What are we talking about, a total of 25 (less than 5% of 500ish) pilots that might flow up? In fact, I would bet you the beverage of your choice that an informal poll would show that there are more flowbacks that want to stay at Eagle than there are flowthrough Eagle guys that want to flow-up.

The company has a tidal wave of hardships to process unless they find a way to re-figure the whole Letter 3 supplement. I say they poll the flowthroughs and allow them to change their status. Then delete that many flowback positions from Eagle and master shuffle the entire AE list.

What do you think?

I agree that most all AE CAs I know with a # dont want to flowthrough at this point, mainly due to age. Was there something in the contract language about 'time-to-captain' and flowing through after that point?

 

[BoDEAN]

left Eagle after 6 years for SKyWest!!

You must have taken a huge paycut doing that, no? Buddy of mine left Mesaba after 6 yrs for Skywest, and took a huge cut.