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BTTB,

Well, that may be the case, but prepare for the whirlwind of litigation. The first announcement of negotiations between DP and UPS was in August, then went away. Then, mysteriously re-appeared about a month after our contract was signed. One where DHL gave us certain carrots for us to drop our scope suits. Scope suits that will not be brought BACK on the table, and that were most likely being eyed by Big Brown as a deal breaker. So, in summary, if it can be proven that DP/DHL and UPS colluded to fraudulently manipulate the CBA bargaining of AStar pilots,......se yall in court! It's far from over my friend. You ought to be able to here my class action suit attorney crankin up the generator as we speak, and it's got a Hemi!!
 
shooter said:
And our politicians think differently and a whole community hopes it will rest another way. Whether it does or not is purely speculation at this time, while I will admit it does not look good for Ohio. Your smugness has been noted and maybe you should just crawl back to where you came from. You will get your freight one way or another. Either by DHL paying you to take it or customers dumping them to use your service. In the mean time the 10,000 in SW Ohio would rather you just gloat alone. It makes you look like an arse.
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I'm not gloating at ABX's, Astar's or SW Ohio's fate. I am saying that UPS' lawyers in particular, are very, very good and UPS' governmental lobbies are very, very powerful. UPS almost always gets what UPS wants.
 
Browntothebone said:
I'm not gloating at ABX's, Astar's or SW Ohio's fate. I am saying that UPS' lawyers in particular, are very, very good and UPS' governmental lobbies are very, very powerful. UPS almost always gets what UPS wants.
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That may very well be true. But UPS lawyers do not always win and your posts do nothing but fan the flames. These are not just jobs here, it's the lives of many families. I don't think you really want to be in the middle of DHL and this community right now tossing stones is all I am saying.
 
AV8OR said:
BTTB,

Well, that may be the case, but prepare for the whirlwind of litigation. The first announcement of negotiations between DP and UPS was in August, then went away. Then, mysteriously re-appeared about a month after our contract was signed. One where DHL gave us certain carrots for us to drop our scope suits. Scope suits that will not be brought BACK on the table, and that were most likely being eyed by Big Brown as a deal breaker. So, in summary, if it can be proven that DP/DHL and UPS colluded to fraudulently manipulate the CBA bargaining of AStar pilots,......se yall in court! It's far from over my friend. You ought to be able to here my class action suit attorney crankin up the generator as we speak, and it's got a Hemi!!
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What type of settlement do you want? Do you want to force DHL to use Astar? or do you want some amount of monetary damages?
 
AV80R, I'd stop right there bro. No need to go blasting strategy all over the www.
 
shooter said:
I don't think you really want to be in the middle of DHL and this community right now tossing stones is all I am saying.
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Wilmington is the exact kind of place Obama was talking about when he said "People are standing with their guns and religion" (or something to that effect). I know I wouldn't want to have that entire town pissed off at me...
 
AV8OR said:
... The first announcement of negotiations between DP and UPS was in August, then went away...
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What kind of announcement was that? We never heard anything whatsoever, instead I read in some business paper (Washington Post maybe?) that early on DHL had excluded UPS from the talks and focused on Fedex... Everyone here was taken by surprise which is why I'm surprised again now that you mention this "early announcement." Do you have any links to that early announcement?

Either way, personally I too think UPS will get what they want and that even though the litigation might costs DHL some money it’ll mean peanuts to them... I doubt UPS worries about those extra costs DHL might have to absorb, if anything it’ll help them to compete with DHL further down the road.

Personally, I'm very torn over this deal - obviously I don’t want our brothers and sisters at ABX and Astar to be losing their jobs... At the same time it's always good to see people getting hired at your own airline...

My biggest concern though is that this deal might be our Pandora's box in the future... One day we might be flying DHL stuff in the US while DHL flies ours in Europe and Air Hong Kong/Yangtze River are flying UPS and DHL stuff in Asia. Meanwhile Silk Air and Air China fly the stuff between Europe, Asia and Americas... Little paranoid maybe but some caution here might be our best approach…

Disclaimer - no I am not having a dialog with myself... ;)

AV8OR = Yellow (with an 'Oh)
AV80R = Big Brown (with a zero)
 
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AV80R said:
What kind of announcement was that? We never heard anything whatsoever, instead I read in some business paper (Washington Post maybe?) that early on DHL had excluded UPS from the talks and focused on Fedex... Everyone here was taken by surprise which is why I'm surprised again now that you mention this "early announcement." Do you have any links to that early announcement?

Either way, personally I too think UPS will get what they want and that even though the litigation might costs DHL some money it’ll mean peanuts to them... I doubt UPS worries about those extra costs DHL might have to absorb, if anything it’ll help them to compete with DHL further down the road.

Personally, I'm very torn over this deal - obviously I don’t want our brothers and sisters at ABX and Astar to be losing their jobs... At the same time it's always good to see people getting hired at your own airline...

My biggest concern though is that this deal might be our Pandora's box in the future... One day we might be flying DHL stuff in the US while DHL flies ours in Europe and Air Hong Kong/Yangtze River are flying UPS and DHL stuff in Asia. Meanwhile Silk Air and Air China fly the stuff between Europe, Asia and Americas... Little paranoid maybe but some caution here might be our best approach…

Disclaimer - no I am not having a dialog with myself... ;)

AV8OR = Yellow (with an 'Oh)
AV80R = Big Brown (with a zero)
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D'oh! Right. I've got to start wearing my glasses to tell 0 from O. LOL I do agree with you though, that this is the camel getting it's nose under the tent, as far as "globalization" goes. It can't be good for any pilot, no matter what color your pants are.
 
AV80R said:
My biggest concern though is that this deal might be our Pandora's box in the future... One day we might be flying DHL stuff in the US while DHL flies ours in Europe and Air Hong Kong/Yangtze River are flying UPS and DHL stuff in Asia. Meanwhile Silk Air and Air China fly the stuff between Europe, Asia and Americas... Little paranoid maybe but some caution here might be our best approach…
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Welcome to the world of DHL!
 
AV80R said:
What kind of announcement was that? We never heard anything whatsoever, instead I read in some business paper (Washington Post maybe?) that early on DHL had excluded UPS from the talks and focused on Fedex... Everyone here was taken by surprise which is why I'm surprised again now that you mention this "early announcement." Do you have any links to that early announcement?

Either way, personally I too think UPS will get what they want and that even though the litigation might costs DHL some money it’ll mean peanuts to them... I doubt UPS worries about those extra costs DHL might have to absorb, if anything it’ll help them to compete with DHL further down the road.

Personally, I'm very torn over this deal - obviously I don’t want our brothers and sisters at ABX and Astar to be losing their jobs... At the same time it's always good to see people getting hired at your own airline...

My biggest concern though is that this deal might be our Pandora's box in the future... One day we might be flying DHL stuff in the US while DHL flies ours in Europe and Air Hong Kong/Yangtze River are flying UPS and DHL stuff in Asia. Meanwhile Silk Air and Air China fly the stuff between Europe, Asia and Americas... Little paranoid maybe but some caution here might be our best approach…

Disclaimer - no I am not having a dialog with myself... ;)

AV8OR = Yellow (with an 'Oh)
AV80R = Big Brown (with a zero)
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The disclaimer thing is hillarious dude!!! LOL!!

Here's your link.....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aPO_dA0F3SWY&refer=germany

It's listed on the DPWN website.

For the record, will I win, who knows, but you can dang sure bet I'm going down swinging! And I'm not waiting on the work of J.Daz, UPS, DHL, DPWN, or ALPA to include any measure of justice for us.
 
1800 RVR said:
I'm glad you cleared this up because I myself had to do a double-take!!! :D
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Yeah I knew people could easily get confused... After all, I've recieved my share of hate mail (or is it hate PM?) meant for av8or and I'm sure he/she's received some love letters meant for me... ;)
 
AV8OR - The disclaimer thing is hillarious dude!!! LOL!!

Well, didn't want folks to think that you and I are the same person with multiple personalities... :laugh:



Thanks for the link. However, it appears to me that those were two different transactions? One was for UPS to buy a share of DHL which thankfully to both companies didn't happen.

The other was subcontracting out DHL flying in the US to a single airline and for whatever reason they chose UPS.

I personally hope that UPS and DHL never merge... For those of you who think Big Brown likes to be in control - you ain't seen nothin' yet - wait 'til you see the German style of management...
 
Me thinks that the legal issues you are bringing up now will not be any kind of factor.
DHL was never a big factor in the US and an actual courier service was the business they dominated in Europe. By the time Fedex and UPS gained their foothold in the rest of the world, DHL had already lost their shot at the US market. While Fedex made that global leap with the purchase of Tigers, they actually had to learn how to carry freight. DHL never reallly wanted to go in that direction but was forced too.
The only legal issue will be commitments made to Ohio or others for jobs that had compensation attached to them.
 

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