Yet another USAPA lawsuit

[Crzipilot]

Fr8, never have said the company can't negotiation, they damn well can, and should......it's simply a stall tactic, Hmmmmm.....what can be done to entice them to negotiate that 99%, think if we rent one of those budweiser trucks that hold the kegs, and have taps on the side, and park it outside Tempe Frat house, that might help?

Seems to be that our top two guys like the sauce a little too much, getting a little older and can't handle it like in their frat days....

 

[becket]

The company is full of it, and some of you buy it hook line and sinker.

Do you really believe the company cant negotiate a contract because of a list?

Even if that were true, they could negotiate the other 99% of the contract. You need to put aside your hate for a freakin minute and realize, that with the exception of that 1% of the contract we are all on the same page.

After we get the 99% done you can go back to your hate and scream how you are the "good kids" to your hearts content. Meanwhile the company is doing nothing, but letting this carry on until the end of time.

We will never agree on a list, but we should at least agree that the Kirby is a POS! You do understand there is much more to a contract than an hourly rate don't you?

If you don't want any progress on a contract for whatever reason that's fine. But don't post on these boards that you really believe that the company can't negotiate a show time, how many hours we get paid for a cancellation, or how much a check airmen should be paid to fill in a line trip because of a list.

seniority touches virtually all contractual sections. You are the myopic Kool aid drinker.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why should the company waste their time negotiating a contract that stands on shaky legal ground? AOL will claim that the Addington is now ripe and a judge will grant an injunction blocking implementation of the contract for another couple years while the case works its way through the court system.

I understand why the east pilots feel they can use their majority to force their will on the west, but they fail to understand the unique nature of a first joint contract following a merger. Subsequent contracts will not have TAs to follow, nor will they have to account for 2 sides entering into binding arbitration. But now they do.

The bigger question is: why are the pilots continuing to support an irrelevant union ? Why not replace it with one that commits to not taking one side over another and is founded on unity so that it can be effective?

 

[charlie2]

Why should the company waste their time negotiating a contract that stands on shaky legal ground? AOL will claim that the Addington is now ripe and a judge will grant an injunction blocking implementation of the contract for another couple years while the case works its way through the court system.

I understand why the east pilots feel they can use their majority to force their will on the west, but they fail to understand the unique nature of a first joint contract following a merger. Subsequent contracts will not have TAs to follow, nor will they have to account for 2 sides entering into binding arbitration. But now they do.

The bigger question is: why are the pilots continuing to support an irrelevant union ? Why not replace it with one that commits to not taking one side over another and is founded on unity so that it can be effective?

Are you saying AOL would request an injunction on the whole contract and not just section 22? These guys would ask a judge to put a stop to the new pay rates for a couple years? I doubt it.

 

[vetrider]

Just like United's and American's management teams, US Airways doesn't want to negotiate and we understand why...just like the ALPA and APA pilots understand it. But if management stops obeying the RLA i.e. in "status quo" they are still required to process grievences, you don't think the pilots should call them on it (or at least try)? Our management has threatened legal action against us if we pilots don't comply with status quo so fair is fair.

That's all true, no argument here. All I'm saying is Cleary and his little club are impotent.

 

[Raoul Duke]

West guys should undermine grievances filed by the east by testifying against USAPA

 

[charlie2]

West guys should undermine grievances filed by the east by testifying against USAPA

Good plan...that will definitley work....you mam are a genious!

 

[charlie2]

Good plan...that will definitley work....you mam are a genious!

And then mam we'll undermine the west grievences and we'l all be GENIOUSES!!!! BWAAAHAAHAAHAA!!!!!!

 

[TWA Dude]

And then mam we'll undermine the west grievences and we'l all be GENIOUSES!!

the Grievance Granny Parella is already on top of that plan.

 

[charlie2]

the Grievance Granny Parella is already on top of that plan.

.ok ya got me there,,,,doh!