Yay Atlas got a new contract..

[maxcackel]

CRT starts at report time in your base and ends upon return. Unless you show at 0001z on day one and finnish at 2359z on the 17th then 82+ in 17 days is unrealistic. 75 ish average would be my guess for 17 duty days. Just a guess though.

That is correct. Plus 5 days off between trips or the rig clock keeps running. Minimum off between 17 on is now 7 days off unless you wave it so no more 34 days on possibility. Not that it happened very often.

 

[airgator]

Are your rigs 4.85 hrs of pay per day minimum or 1 hr of pay for every 4.85 TAFB?? I've heard both.

 

[JimmyKool]

Both are almost right but either way it works out to almost 5hrs minimum of pay for 24hrs of duty. It's worded funny in the contract buy when you work it out thats what it becomes. Clear as mudd?

 

[maxcackel]

1 hr of pay for each 4.95hr of duty. 24/4.95=4.848. It is a trip rig not a min day. So if you are on 15hrs of duty the first day on the first day will pay 15/4.95=3.03hr of pay or block or credit which ever is higher. The only true way to look at it is to add all duty hours for the month divided by 4.95. Then you will get paid the higher of Rig, Block or Credit for the month. So in a week you fly a lot of block for 5 of the 7 days and sit in hotels for the other 2 you may not be paid for sitting in the hotel those 2 days because the block in 7 will be more than the rig for 7 days. Example 7 days of rig = 33.95 but you fly 35 hrs of block during those 5 days, you get paid 35 hrs not 35 plus the 4.85x2 for the hotel days. But if like me you sit for six days at the Five Clowns Motel then fly one leg to Germany 7hrs I would get paid 33.95hrs for the week! Hope this clears it up a little.

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

1 hr of pay for each 4.95hr of duty. 24/4.95=4.848. It is a trip rig not a min day. So if you are on 15hrs of duty the first day on the first day will pay 15/4.95=3.03hr of pay or block or credit which ever is higher. The only true way to look at it is to add all duty hours for the month divided by 4.95. Then you will get paid the higher of Rig, Block or Credit for the month. So in a week you fly a lot of block for 5 of the 7 days and sit in hotels for the other 2 you may not be paid for sitting in the hotel those 2 days because the block in 7 will be more than the rig for 7 days. Example 7 days of rig = 33.95 but you fly 35 hrs of block during those 5 days, you get paid 35 hrs not 35 plus the 4.85x2 for the hotel days. But if like me you sit for six days at the Five Clowns Motel then fly one leg to Germany 7hrs I would get paid 33.95hrs for the week! Hope this clears it up a little.

The rig pays 1 hour of flight pay for 4.95 hours on an assignment (not on duty). That equals 4.84 hours of pay in a 24 hour day. It is a monthly look back for pay calculated. It starts when you report for your first assignment.

 

[maxcackel]

The rig pays 1 hour of flight pay for 4.95 hours on an assignment (not on duty). That equals 4.84 hours of pay in a 24 hour day. It is a monthly look back for pay calculated. It starts when you report for your first assignment.

You are correct Sir! Know what I mean not what I say. Hey I tried.

 

[GittinFatter]

does an "assignment" mean sitting in the five towns for 5 days ?

 

[maxcackel]

does an "assignment" mean sitting in the five towns for 5 days ?

YES it does! The only assignment that does not is R1(sitting at home on call).

 

[johnsonrod]

767 Operation Questions

What will the schedule be like for the 767 operation? Given that the initial flying is primarily domestic for the 767s, will the schedule be different (i.e., still 17 days out)?

I realize the 767 will pay less than the 747s, but how has the interest been in bidding it among the pilot group? Will it be staffed by newhires as FOs or will there be internal bidding for it on the FO side (I imagine Capt slots will be taken)?

Also, when do 767 operations actually begin?

 

[tailwindz]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

 

[landlover]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

downgrade? PIC on a 757 is considered a down grade from a SIC seat on the 747?

 

[johnsonrod]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

Interesting. What about schedules on the 767? Will they still keep you out for 17 days with mostly domestic flying or will they break-up the schedule into shorter intervals?

Also, what is the long term plan for 767s? The initial group is 3 aircraft - I presume Atlas will be getting for more than just 3 767s - right? How many will be pax vs. cargo?

 

[OCP]

On top of all that what are the 767 bases?

 

[Classicdriver]

OK Guys, bottom line, we don't know shinola. It hasn't even officially started yet!

First group is JFK based, because of the AMC pax stuff. The 5 DHL will probably be CVG, hub turns. There may be some FO's that like the hub turn or pax stuff and move down to the 767 for QOL, ie domestic, time zones.

If we get a few 767's for AMC cargo, no telling where they'll be based. My bet, JFK.

The startup has been delayed, I'm hearing now in November. DHL will be first Q of '12.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

downgrade? PIC on a 757 is considered a down grade from a SIC seat on the 747?

It's 767's that Atlas has bought not 757's and his post was referring to (presumably junior but more than 3 year) 747 FO's becoming 767 FO's which would result in a downgrade in pay. Almost all of the 76 CA's are former senior 74 FO's however.

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