Yay Atlas got a new contract..

[maxcackel]

The rig pays 1 hour of flight pay for 4.95 hours on an assignment (not on duty). That equals 4.84 hours of pay in a 24 hour day. It is a monthly look back for pay calculated. It starts when you report for your first assignment.

You are correct Sir! Know what I mean not what I say. Hey I tried.

 

[GittinFatter]

does an "assignment" mean sitting in the five towns for 5 days ?

 

[maxcackel]

does an "assignment" mean sitting in the five towns for 5 days ?

YES it does! The only assignment that does not is R1(sitting at home on call).

 

[johnsonrod]

767 Operation Questions

What will the schedule be like for the 767 operation? Given that the initial flying is primarily domestic for the 767s, will the schedule be different (i.e., still 17 days out)?

I realize the 767 will pay less than the 747s, but how has the interest been in bidding it among the pilot group? Will it be staffed by newhires as FOs or will there be internal bidding for it on the FO side (I imagine Capt slots will be taken)?

Also, when do 767 operations actually begin?

 

[tailwindz]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

 

[landlover]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

downgrade? PIC on a 757 is considered a down grade from a SIC seat on the 747?

 

[johnsonrod]

As of today, the #1 FO is a new hire. However, the next bid will tell the tale, as the 74 FO's who have been in seat 3 years or longer are free to down grade if they wish.

We will see.

Interesting. What about schedules on the 767? Will they still keep you out for 17 days with mostly domestic flying or will they break-up the schedule into shorter intervals?

Also, what is the long term plan for 767s? The initial group is 3 aircraft - I presume Atlas will be getting for more than just 3 767s - right? How many will be pax vs. cargo?

 

[OCP]

On top of all that what are the 767 bases?

 

[Classicdriver]

OK Guys, bottom line, we don't know shinola. It hasn't even officially started yet!

First group is JFK based, because of the AMC pax stuff. The 5 DHL will probably be CVG, hub turns. There may be some FO's that like the hub turn or pax stuff and move down to the 767 for QOL, ie domestic, time zones.

If we get a few 767's for AMC cargo, no telling where they'll be based. My bet, JFK.

The startup has been delayed, I'm hearing now in November. DHL will be first Q of '12.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

downgrade? PIC on a 757 is considered a down grade from a SIC seat on the 747?

It's 767's that Atlas has bought not 757's and his post was referring to (presumably junior but more than 3 year) 747 FO's becoming 767 FO's which would result in a downgrade in pay. Almost all of the 76 CA's are former senior 74 FO's however.

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[spitfire1500]

OK Guys, bottom line, we don't know shinola. It hasn't even officially started yet!

First group is JFK based, because of the AMC pax stuff. The 5 DHL will probably be CVG, hub turns. There may be some FO's that like the hub turn or pax stuff and move down to the 767 for QOL, ie domestic, time zones.

If we get a few 767's for AMC cargo, no telling where they'll be based. My bet, JFK.

The startup has been delayed, I'm hearing now in November. DHL will be first Q of '12.

I thought an FO on the 74 could only go to capt on the 76...

 

[maxcackel]

I thought an FO on the 74 could only go to capt on the 76...

This is what I was told, new hires only into the 767 FO seats. No down grades unless the new contract allows it, have not looked.

 

[HA25]

ok, how about QOL items for when you're out on the road? Are they still able to change your layover from 48 to min rest on you? what are the call out times for reserve? and how is the commercial to and from base? still coach? etc..

anything that's changed from the last contract would be interesting to know..

 

[Classicdriver]

I thought an FO on the 74 could only go to capt on the 76...

New contract has a three year seat lock for FO's.

 

[atpcliff]

U don't commercial to and from your base. You commercial from your gateway (or an alternate travel location, if you request it, and the co. agrees) to wherever the company wants you to go. When you are done working, you commercial from wherever you are to your gateway (or your alternate travel location).

Domestic legs are coach, international legs (a non-US city) is business or better. I think the new contract states that if your travel is over 16 hours total, then all legs are business or better...not sure on that.

My last trip started in CVG and ended in Taipei. Trip before that SEA-SEA. Trip before that started in ANC ended in ORD. Jul had a trip start in ORD and end in Melbourne (AUS).

cliff
GRB

 

[HA25]

Thanks for the info Cliff

What percent of the time are you going to a foreign airport vs domestic airport to start your trip?

 

[atpcliff]

U basically always start your trip airlining to a domestic airport.

Your trip usually ends by airlining from a domestic location to your gateway, but sometimes your trip ends overseas, and you airline from overseas to your gateway.

 

[HA25]

would be curious to find out how many are being held out the full 17 days now with the new contract and the additional cost of those days after 13.. it's too early to tell now, but if anyone remembers to, let us know how your month goes.

 

[big pimpn']

remember under our new contract R1 requires a 5 hour callout to your nearest commercial airport, not gateway airport or your base. It clearly states the nearest commercial airport; so, if you are based in LAX and you actually live closer to a small regional airport like burbank, you are only required to report to the nearest commercial airport. So, in other words if they wanted to commercial you last minute to Incheon from LAX, and you were on R1, they would have to buy you a ticket on an RJ from Burbank to Salt lake or wherever BFE airport connects out of there, then to LAX just to start your trip which would obviously be entirely too expensive and cost precious time to the company..

The reason I mention this is for those of us that live in our base, if we exercise this right using the language written in R1, the company will learn really quick it's in their best interest to keep us on R2 and keep us on rig while on reserve at our base...I am convinced that the company is going to try and assign r1 to guys that live within 130 miles from their base when otherwise be on r2 cheating them out of up to 20 hours or so a month in pay...just food for thought.

 

[HA25]

thanks for that info big.... these are the kind of details I"m interested in learning more about...