XJT pay concessions pass easily

[jetpig32]

Never vote yes on the first round. Call thier bluff. At CAL, voting yes on the first round got us into this POS 02.

 

[11thHour]

Proudly one of the 497. I'm shocked at how many didn't even vote! I can now say I'm officially embarrassed of my fellow XJT pilots - both for the low turnout and for buying the industry standard BS hook, line, and sinker. :angryfire

 

[Andy Neill]

1529 out of 2456 eligible voted (62.3%)

1032 FOR (67.5%)

497 AGAINST (32.5%)

I'll do the math for everyone. Thats 42% of the pilot group that voted for the package, 20% against, and 38% didn't vote.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Can't believe only 62% cared enough to place a vote. Apathy at its finest.

 

[Captain Overs]

Good move for XJT. I think you guys still have helped the company but still have one of the top paying contracts in the industry including work rules.

If you don't understand the XJT situation with the new CPA then quit bashing them for approving this temporary pay cut. The pilots did what they HAD to do and management did what they HAD to do by signining this cpa.

Hopefully with all groups approving the cuts then we will see better days ahead for XJT!

Good point. I'll be making more than I am right now (pre-concession) next january 2010. What people don't understand is that this concession had a plan to restore wages. It wasn't a never ending concession package. By the way, I voted "No" but not for reasons mentioned before. I'll gladly take my pay cut and be glad I work for a company that still has great work rules. Pay cuts and bad work rules would be miserable. There's always a bright side.

 

[BornFromJets]

Whoa there boss. I think there are some Comair pilots that may disagree with you there. They set a bar with their feet. They fought and won. That's setting a bar. If you get a chance, find out where that bar was set.
The problem nowadays is that we set glass ceilings. I hate the fact we all believe we're worth less than we were 10 years ago. Why is it that Horizon can pay what they do? The rates we need to strive for are these, and not the bankruptcy-fed BS rates that we all seem so enamored with. In this day and age, even if they are unachievable, we need to reverse this trend of pay cuts.

 

[flap operator]

Good point dal757 - now you know what the Mesaba and Comair pilots were saying when we had that proverbial gun held to our heads in Ch11. And when Mesaba had the BigSky gun held to our heads in 2004. Now you're on the other side and it all makes sense.

 

[molson247]

Where's all the Xjet cheerleaders who were slamming Mesaba and Comair for taking paycuts IN BANKRUPTCY??? Ouch... sucks to be beaten huh? Nobody is immune. Not even the mighty Xjet.

spineless.....Lowering the bar....Good work guys!!! I don't want to hear about how it's going to help save the company and your job etc......that's a lame excuse for giving back what you worked so hard for

Might as well work for Mesa.....f'in tools

 

[Poahi]

I'm sure it's been enumerated somewhere, but what precisely are the concessions?

 

[Hypoxik]

roughly 2.8% pay cut. As well as a pay freeze, so you will not get bumped up to the next year of longevity (SP?) till 09'.

 

[Nevets]

I'm sure it's been enumerated somewhere, but what precisely are the concessions?

Pay reduction of 2.83% Nov 1, 2008
Pay reduction of 1% Jan 1, Apr 1, Jul 1, 2009
Pay increase of 2.54% Oct 1, 2009
Pay raise of 3% Dec 1, 2009

Everyone gets their longevity raise at their DOH.

Pay rate for captains are still top of the industry and for FOs, in the top third. With work rules, its still the industry leading contract.

 

[Nevets]

roughly 2.8% pay cut. As well as a pay freeze, so you will not get bumped up to the next year of longevity (SP?) till 09'.

No, that is not correct. Read my post above.

 

[luvz2fli]

Truth is, their "bar" is still just as high if not higher than a lot of the companies out there yet people still flock to those companies to work for them. Hell prior to these concessions, if you look at captain rates, theyre identical to those at skywest through year 10 which everybody talks about being the high and mighty regional out there. Oh and let me also mention, which everybody knows, I'm talking about the CRJ 700-900 at Skywest and the ERJ 145 at Express. Anybody see a seat capacity difference?

A regional lowers the bar. These airplanes are doing routes that majors used to fly for majors pay. The fact is this, nobody cares about anybody but themselves. Why is Mesa still in business? Colgan with their Qs? Trans States with their rates? Because people are willing to do anything to get jet time. They don't care what you pay them. Then once they get some, they get high and mighty all of the sudden.

Yes Express lowered their own personal bar, but there wasn't anybody in recent years willing to meet their level achieved when it comes to pay or work rules for the size aircraft being flown. Skywest keeps pace on FO rates. Horizon is in a league all it's own for pay rates...Don't know anything about their contract though

 

[The Boss]

spineless.....Lowering the bar....Good work guys!!! I don't want to hear about how it's going to help save the company and your job etc......that's a lame excuse for giving back what you worked so hard for

Might as well work for Mesa.....f'in tools

Not even close a$$hole. It's real easy to throw insults when you don't know anything about the situation.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Good point. I'll be making more than I am right now (pre-concession) next january 2010. What people don't understand is that this concession had a plan to restore wages. It wasn't a never ending concession package. By the way, I voted "No" but not for reasons mentioned before. I'll gladly take my pay cut and be glad I work for a company that still has great work rules. Pay cuts and bad work rules would be miserable. There's always a bright side.

Your work rules suck, taking the pay cut will do nothing to help the company, and you're a moron for thinking so. I'm sorry you think you were making too much money. All of us do not feel that way.

 

[The Boss]

Your work rules suck, taking the pay cut will do nothing to help the company, and you're a moron for thinking so. I'm sorry you think you were making too much money. All of us do not feel that way.

Another uninformed idiot. XJT's work rules are better than the work rules at most legacies. We took a slight cut in pay so that they wouldn't screw with the work rules and the rest of the contract.

If you think that anyone at this company that voted yes is happy about it, I can guarantee you, they are not. We had a gun to our heads and our backs to the wall. We have given the company one chance to make things right. They won't get any more.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Another uninformed idiot. XJT's work rules are better than the work rules at most legacies. We took a slight cut in pay so that they wouldn't screw with the work rules and the rest of the contract.

If you think that anyone at this company that voted yes is happy about it, I can guarantee you, they are not. We had a gun to our heads and our backs to the wall. We have given the company one chance to make things right. They won't get any more.

I GUARANTEE you the company will come back for more concessions, and I GUARANTEE you it will pass again. I am not the one giving away money, and you are calling me the idiot?

 

[V1rowt8]

More than likely the reason for so many pilots not voting is that about 9 or so days before the vote was to close, it was amended by the MEC. All previous votes from the three weeks prior were null and void. Pilots had to re-cast their votes for them to count. I would bet my left #&t that many were not aware of the re-vote.

 

[Regul8r]

Pay reduction of 2.83% Nov 1, 2008
Pay reduction of 1% Jan 1, Apr 1, Jul 1, 2009
Pay increase of 2.54% Oct 1, 2009
Pay raise of 3% Dec 1, 2009

Everyone gets their longevity raise at their DOH.

Pay rate for captains are still top of the industry and for FOs, in the top third. With work rules, its still the industry leading contract.

Guess what? You're going to be asked for more paycuts BEFORE Oct. 1st 2009. AND Ream just lowered company costs which will more than likely result in bonuses for management.

 

[steve3137]

As a furloughed Exjetter I am not shocked, but pissed off. You can make all the excuses you want, but this is the reason this industry sucks. Yeah, we may still be in the top in pay and work rules who EFFING cares. It still sucks!! When the judge takes more I have no sympathy. All that SH@# talking people at Express liked to do about Mesa and Republic, Karma is a BIT@#>