XJT pay concessions pass easily

[mack82]

As a furloughed Exjetter I am not shocked, but pissed off. You can make all the excuses you want, but this is the reason this industry sucks. Yeah, we may still be in the top in pay and work rules who EFFING cares. It still sucks!! When the judge takes more I have no sympathy. All that SH@# talking people at Express liked to do about Mesa and Republic, Karma is a BIT@#>

I agree. I hope any of our co-workers that come on here and rant in the future blaming our misfortunes on other carriers like Mesa are put in their place by people on this board. Because guess what, we're part of the group now.

 

[Scapegoat]

Hello, its 2008 people!!!

Good move for XJT. I think you guys still have helped the company but still have one of the top paying contracts in the industry including work rules.

If you don't understand the XJT situation with the new CPA then quit bashing them for approving this temporary pay cut. The pilots did what they HAD to do and management did what they HAD to do by signining this cpa.

Hopefully with all groups approving the cuts then we will see better days ahead for XJT!

This guy obviosly doesnt know what year we are in and likely does not fly a 75' for DAL. The management at XJT got played bad. So in return this is the result, What, were the pilots going to vote it down. No. They are not morons. They had to vote for it to keep the company. Now XJT has to get concessions from every other labor group to survive and even then it will be a struggle.

And this guy thinks its 'temporary'........Right. And you can count that COL increase in 2010 as a pay raise! God bless the industry but the management at XJT got played and now the pilots follow like lemmings. They had no choice. Look around and think before you post........

 

[SkyBoy1981]

What I find most amusing is that I still, after taking concessions, work under a contract with higher pay and better work rules than most of the XJT bashing morons in this thread.

 

[Nevets]

Your work rules suck, taking the pay cut will do nothing to help the company, and you're a moron for thinking so. I'm sorry you think you were making too much money. All of us do not feel that way.

Which work rules suck? Which ones are good? Can you point out to me how XJT's defined contribution plan compares to other regionals? Can you point out to me how XJT's vacation rules compare to other regionals?

 

[Nevets]

Guess what? You're going to be asked for more paycuts BEFORE Oct. 1st 2009. AND Ream just lowered company costs which will more than likely result in bonuses for management.

Anything is possible. Although I think they would file BK before they do that.

But I would LOVE for JR and management to take bonuses! Please do it tomorrow, November 1!!!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Yeah, we may still be in the top in pay and work rules who EFFING cares. .

I care, because I can think of several contracts at other carriers that have passed since ours in 2004 and not one of them has been able to even match, let alone exceed, our contract at XJT.

Before you were even hired here we bid for and were shot down on numerous CPA's that ended up being awarded to bottom feeder carriers. When it was announced that we were losing 69 airplanes back in 2005 we fully expected management to come to us for concessions. We were all waiting for it.. but it never happened. Instead of asking for employees to take a cut to lower labor costs and play in the bottom feeder game our management invested the cash that we had on hand into starting branded. It didn't work.. so here we are. The cash is now gone and as a last resort they have asked for our help. Based on what I have seen at this company in the last 4 years I don't think our management is out to screw us. They are simply doing what they have to do to keep the place in business.

I voted yes on this LOA because based on the facts that were given I feel that it will have the best outcome for our pilot group.. with or without bankruptcy. In this scenario I'm not interested in being a tough guy or trying to "save the profession". Voting down this LOA would help save our profession as much as shooting a water gun will help put out a forest fire. That's just reality. We negotiated an industry leading contract that has been in place for 4 years now.. and no one else has been able to surpass it. It seems that most of the hard core "vote no" types on these forums either don't work for XJet or haven't been with the company for more than 2 years. The opinions often seem ego and emotionally driven, which is evident by how vocal they are.. particularly in bathroom stalls and under cockpit armrests. I have no desire to be a part of the cool tough crowd, I'm only interested in what will be best for our group in the coming months in years. That's all I have to say about it.

 

[pipejockey]

ExpressJet pilots= TOTAL SELLOUTS!!! Thanks for keeping that bar from falling. I don't ever want to hear an EJ pilot talking smack about Mesa, GoJet, TransStates, "enter any other bottom feeding rj airline here" etc etc.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

ExpressJet pilots= TOTAL SELLOUTS!!! Thanks for keeping that bar from falling. I don't ever want to hear an EJ pilot talking smack about Mesa, GoJet, TransStates, "enter any other bottom feeding rj airline here" etc etc.

I'm generally not a trash talker anyway, as my life isn't quite that pathetic, but as long as these carriers still don't have contracts that match up to ours I feel justified to say whatever I please.

 

[Nevets]

Thanks for keeping that bar from falling.

Your welcome.

 

[dojetdriver]

ExpressJet pilots= TOTAL SELLOUTS!!! Thanks for keeping that bar from falling. I don't ever want to hear an EJ pilot talking smack about Mesa, GoJet, TransStates, "enter any other bottom feeding rj airline here" etc etc.

Come on dude, even MESA guys can talk crap about GoJets.

 

[wscrj]

"...

I voted yes on this LOA because based on the facts that were given I feel that it will have the best outcome for our pilot group.. with or without bankruptcy. In this scenario I'm not interested in being a tough guy or trying to "save the profession". Voting down this LOA would help save our profession as much as shooting a water gun will help put out a forest fire. That's just reality. We negotiated an industry leading contract that has been in place for 4 years now.. and no one else has been able to surpass it. It seems that most of the hard core "vote no" types on these forums either don't work for XJet or haven't been with the company for more than 2 years. The opinions often seem ego and emotionally driven, which is evident by how vocal they are.. particularly in bathroom stalls and under cockpit armrests. I have no desire to be a part of the cool tough crowd, I'm only interested in what will be best for our group in the coming months in years. That's all I have to say about it."

This is the same rationale used by every pilot group to defend themselves. It is a core reason our profession finds itself in the state it is. Mesa, XJT, SKY..all had their own reasons...all essentially the same. WE all got ourselves into this mess, and here we will remain until WE all decide to get OURSELVES out.

Once we realize that we are ALL the same, perhaps we can act in concert and effect a real change for ourselves, as pilots, as professionals, as labor.

 

[dal757]

ExpressJet pilots= TOTAL SELLOUTS!!! Thanks for keeping that bar from falling. I don't ever want to hear an EJ pilot talking smack about Mesa, GoJet, TransStates, "enter any other bottom feeding rj airline here" etc etc.

What an idiot...

 

[ROSWELL41]

Guys, don't you realize that if you don't give them every penny that they want management will just bring you guys on a trip through ch. 11? Why give them money now when they will just pilfer your contract when they want more?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

".This is the same rationale used by every pilot group to defend themselves. It is a core reason our profession finds itself in the state it is. Mesa, XJT, SKY..all had their own reasons...all essentially the same. WE all got ourselves into this mess, and here we will remain until WE all decide to get OURSELVES out.

Once we realize that we are ALL the same, perhaps we can act in concert and effect a real change for ourselves, as pilots, as professionals, as labor.

Exactly.. fixing this profession will take a unity among ALL pilot groups that, quite frankly, I don't think we will ever see. It's not that I don't realize that we are all the same and that we need to "act in concert", but when I see operations like GoJets I have very little faith that it will ever happen. Simply voting down an LOA isn't going to bring about this unity or change.. it's going to take all pilots and their unions to stand together and get on the same page with a detailed plan to fix the profession. When/If that ever happens, I'll be happy to stand strong.. but for now, I'm not basing my decisions and possibly sacrificing my job to try to fix a profession that is doomed anyway. If our unions and their leadership stand together and come up with a solid and bold plan, then perhaps I'll feel differently.

 

[flylike44]

all of you xjet people can shut your collective mouths forever. no excuses. you sold us all out.

 

[aerotang]

all of you xjet people can shut your collective mouths forever. no excuses. you sold us all out.

Everyone can say what they want about XJET and selling everyone out. Anytime a pilot group takes a cut everyone says stuff like this XJET included. Everybody talks s*** but when it comes down to you and your work group having to make this decision we will see how easy it is to vote no. I work for XJET and I really thought hard about how I wanted to vote. During the original vote before the LOA was changed I voted NO on principle. When they changed it I listened to what the union had to say and in my opinion they wanted us to accept the LOA9. So when the next vote came around I voted according to the information that was provided to me by my union and voted yes. A lot of people I have talked to said the same thing. The worst thing out of this is how many people did not even vote.

 

[dojetdriver]

all of you xjet people can shut your collective mouths forever. no excuses. you sold us all out.

Actually, that's not true. It would help you to educate yourself on the FACTS of what really happened.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

all of you xjet people can shut your collective mouths forever. no excuses. you sold us all out.

After all of that typing I did giving the reasoning and logic behind my decision, this is the best response you could come up with?

 

[Captain Morgan]

How many people actually have hands on control of what is negotiated when contract times come. I would say about 99%. Soooo, why are we all pointing fingers at each other when someone may have absolutely no way of changing anything?

 

[Nevets]

This is the same rationale used by every pilot group to defend themselves. It is a core reason our profession finds itself in the state it is. Mesa, XJT, SKY..all had their own reasons...all essentially the same. WE all got ourselves into this mess, and here we will remain until WE all decide to get OURSELVES out.

Once we realize that we are ALL the same, perhaps we can act in concert and effect a real change for ourselves, as pilots, as professionals, as labor.

The rationale may be a reasonable one though. But I absolutely agree with everything else you said.

The ALPA Fee for Departure Task Force has been working on fixing this very problem.

Exactly.. fixing this profession will take a unity among ALL pilot groups that, quite frankly, I don't think we will ever see. It's not that I don't realize that we are all the same and that we need to "act in concert", but when I see operations like GoJets I have very little faith that it will ever happen. Simply voting down an LOA isn't going to bring about this unity or change.. it's going to take all pilots and their unions to stand together and get on the same page with a detailed plan to fix the profession. When/If that ever happens, I'll be happy to stand strong.. but for now, I'm not basing my decisions and possibly sacrificing my job to try to fix a profession that is doomed anyway. If our unions and their leadership stand together and come up with a solid and bold plan, then perhaps I'll feel differently.

Ask your MEC chairman about the Fee for Departure Task Force. They have been working on this for a while now. It takes time to affect change of this magnitude and it will take many more pilots like yourself that finally realize that we all have to come together and fix this. It may take some personal sacrifice but it will pay out in the long run and for those after us.