XJT MEC declares war on ASA pilots.

[Nevets]

So you're going to withold good trips from senior bidders so that junior bidders can have a better schedule? YGTBSM! Don't you ExpressJet people understand how seniority works? Why don't we just do away with the seniority system?

Where did I say that?

 

[ASADriver]

Where did I say that?

You said:
"With a work rule that says a certain percentage of trips are required to be left in open time."

 

[Nevets]

You said:
"With a work rule that says a certain percentage of trips are required to be left in open time."

You said, "So you're going to withold good trips from senior bidders so that junior bidders can have a better schedule?" In what language does, "With a work rule that says a certain percentage of trips are required to be left in open time" equate to what you insinuated I said? Sorry for the sarcasm but it's just that every time a possible solution is brought up, you guys make $hit up just because it doesn't agree with your assumptions. Trust me, as the person who wrote what you quoted,you are COMPLETELY wrong about your ridiculous interpretation!

 

[bigshooter107]

What percentage of trips or block hours? The whole point of any PBS system is to crew every possible pairing.

 

[Freebrd]

What percentage of trips or block hours? The whole point of any PBS system is to crew every possible pairing.

OK I'm ASA, and I think XJet pilots know that PBS tries to schedule as many if not all pairings as possible. I think they want a system that will have pairings created for trade and schedule enhancement AFTER the seniority pilots get theirs. Don't think BH and company will agree to that though. But nothing wrong with trying either.

 

[GeekMaster]

I think there is an extremely important piece of information missing here. This took ASA guys a while to get used to, but now they know it's true. The idea behind a good PBS system is to get you a schedule most suited to your likes THE FIRST TIME; within your seniority of course. Therefore, line improvement bidding becomes largely unnecessary. We have the open time windows, but there are probably more people picking up additional time than there are trading trips out.

 

[bigshooter107]

Every 3-4 pairings in open-time,is potentialy another full schedule for a guy that would have been on reserve.

 

[asayankee]

Every 3-4 pairings in open-time,is potentialy another full schedule for a guy that would have been on reserve.

PBS ALREADY does that without taking the extra step.

I also love how XJT's opposition to Flightline is that it on very rare occasions might not completely honor seniority...yet in the next breath they want a system that withholds pairings from the initial seniority bidding and puts them in a ILIW pot where whomever gets the computer first/quickest can improve their schedule the most. Doesn't make sense

 

[nerjdriver]

What percentage of trips or block hours? The whole point of any PBS system is to crew every possible pairing.

I really like that 3% of open time crew scheduling can hide. You guys let the company bend you over on absolutely everything. Its so ridiculous.

 

[nerjdriver]

PBS ALREADY does that without taking the extra step.

I also love how XJT's opposition to Flightline is that it on very rare occasions might not completely honor seniority...yet in the next breath they want a system that withholds pairings from the initial seniority bidding and puts them in a ILIW pot where whomever gets the computer first/quickest can improve their schedule the most. Doesn't make sense

Yea it doesn't have to i guess... we still don't want PBS

 

[nerjdriver]

D - R - E - A - M - E - R !!!

Or else them some good drugs you're on!

Nope just not a L - I - F - E - R. Better think of something other than PBS then! Until then my vote is NO, and I suspect more than enough of our 2700+ feel the same way. Enjoy ASA, the AWESOME SHRINKING AIRLINE

 

[nerjdriver]

Can we hand you the keys to a new BMW and a Wonka Golden Ticket, also?

Absolutely because this place isn't worth it any more. You guys are so brainwashed, do you honestly thing the pilots are going to bankrupt inc? What bodily fluid of Jerry, Chip, Brad and Charlie are you drinking and bathing in? This profession ended when RJ's showed up, the nails were put in the coffin when RJ pilots started negotiating contracts.

 

[sinkrate]

What percentage of trips or block hours? The whole point of any PBS system is to crew every possible pairing.

Depending on the pairings - there are typically a very small number of junk trips that, when forced on on the line holders, completely destroy the desireability of the junior lines. A good pbs system, administered by pilots, will not withhold any trips from bidding. Let each individual make his own choices. That is what PBS is about. What it will do is leave the left over junk that no one wants in open time. Now, some pilots will claim that that 'hoses' the reserves. The reality of PBS is that for it to benefit any pilot the entire pilot group must rethink what a reserve job is. Reserves become real reserves - not build up line holders with trips from open time. If collectively you can't do that you are going to screw everyone.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Absolutely because this place isn't worth it any more. You guys are so brainwashed, do you honestly thing the pilots are going to bankrupt inc? What bodily fluid of Jerry, Chip, Brad and Charlie are you drinking and bathing in? This profession ended when RJ's showed up, the nails were put in the coffin when RJ pilots started negotiating contracts.

No, we won't bankrupt Inc because they will shrink us or divest us prior to that.

 

[dojetdriver]

The idea behind a good PBS system is to get you a schedule most suited to your likes THE FIRST TIME; within your seniority of course.

Well, this is a good point. But what you're saying is "tough sh1t, you're junior, you get what you get. Weekends (etc) are not within you're seniority". In other words, whatever you get is NOT within in your seniority if you're too far down. With no recourse.

With line bid and XJT workrules, the SAME thing happens. Junior pilot gets what his seniority can hold, or what's "within your seniority". The DIFFERENCE is, the LIW's allow the pilot to change that/make it better. And they're NOT taking trips from anybody senior to them.