XJet lowers minimums to none

[Sphrynxlla]

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[T-REX]

ok your absolutely right, i appologizie to all the high-time 600 hr pilots i offended at COEX the mins are 600 hrs not 500 hrs to fly a 50-70 pax jet. All appologies offered. Its good to know COEX is firm on their 600 hrs minimum hiring standard.

 

[movingviolation]

Yeah, because once you let that slip the quality of the whole program goes right down the crapper. Glad they are keepin their standards high.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I said it once and I'll say it again, I think you should have at least 1,000 or so hours before you jump into anything carrying paxs. And when I say 1,000 hours I mean quality earned hours not PFT. Now, some people may say what are you learning by doing stalls and pattern work all day with students. It's got nothing to do with that, everyday I'm learning how to make solid PIC decisions and learning people skills. I would'nt want to burden some training capt. at my first regional job with a lack of experience in any aspect of basic aviation skills let alone flying a complex jet. I've heard of some of these wonder pilots getting into these aircraft and having a lack of basic pilotage skills. I would like some feedback from any regional jet capts. out there on this subject. Just my 2 cents, thanx.

Well, I am an ex-regional turboprop capt......here is my 2 cents.

I have flown with 2000 hour hot shots I've had to babysit and whose attitude completely stinks and I have flown with 300 hour new hires with a good attitude and better flying skills than the hot shot. Who would I rather be burdened by?

You guessed it.....it's mostly about attitude. Some of the best pilots I have ever flown with started at a regional airline with around 300 hours.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Interesting how this thread is going..... put it into the big perspective of Globalization and you are going to see younger and lower flight standards as the labor cost get lower... till eventually Phat Dan and Juan are driving our jets around.

Perhaps an increase in productivity will save our careers...oops I mean jobs.....

The headlines in 30 years will read; how Herb and SWA saved the Airline Industry!

 

[shaq]

The last time hiring was fast and furious like it is now at the regional level was when the majors were all hiring like crazy with retirements at an all time high.

I don't get why the regionals feel like they have to hire the low timers at his point. This could eventually be a really bad thing the first time an RJ becomes a smoking hole with some kid in the front with about 500 hrs. of total time. My point is I'd rather not have school in session up front while my wife and kids are in the back traveling home for Thanksgiving. There are WAY too many highly qualified people in need of a job for this to be going on.

My guess is that the regionals were able to get by with this the last time they needed tons of pilots and they figured out that these guys are willing to work for next to nothing while being thrilled to fly a jet.

 

[capt. megadeth]

The last time hiring was fast and furious like it is now at the regional level was when the majors were all hiring like crazy with retirements at an all time high.

I don't get why the regionals feel like they have to hire the low timers at his point. This could eventually be a really bad thing the first time an RJ becomes a smoking hole with some kid in the front with about 500 hrs. of total time. My point is I'd rather not have school in session up front while my wife and kids are in the back traveling home for Thanksgiving. There are WAY too many highly qualified people in need of a job for this to be going on.

My guess is that the regionals were able to get by with this the last time they needed tons of pilots and they figured out that these guys are willing to work for next to nothing while being thrilled to fly a jet.

Well, shaq, considering what you probably will pay for that ticket.....you get what you pay for....sorry. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the "highly qualified people" you speak of have a major chip on their shoulder because they got majorly screwed. They don't want to be flying with some 25 year old capt. telling them what to do. Great CRM is going on there.

Also, if you are considered about your safety because of low timers flying you around....don't fly on a European carrier. A lot of those carriers hire pilots with ZERO flight time....British Airways is one of them.

 

[surplus1]

The way I see it, which I know means nothing to anyone, is that the real problem isn't the # of hours the new pilot may have, it's the capability of the training program at the particular airline.

A military pilot can fly and F-15 or similar aircraft with very low time, but he also has a fantastic training program. Most airlines, whether regional or majoar or LCC can't even come close to matching it.

When you combine a poorly trined FO with very little experience, with a relatively inexperienced Captain, which face it is prevalent at many "regional" airlines, it's not a "good" thing.

There have been several incidents/accidents at regional carriers in the last few years that clearly reflect the difficulties associated with these management policies. I can think of one that luckily resulted only in an extremely "hard landing" (but for the grace of God a potential disaster) and a recent upset/crash resulting in the loss of life.

If XJT can provide the required training and does so, it can work. If not, the captain will be flying solo for quite a while. If the CA him/herself is not really experienced, I wouldn't want to be on that airplane when the going gets rough.

I'll probably catch he!! for saying this, but the truth is I'm very selective about which airline I allow my family to use and crew experience is a major factor in that decision.

JMO

 

[shaq]

I'm sure you're referencing the PCL Flight, which unfortunately will prove both our points. Trying to figure ticket prices in to this is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this board (which is an impressive claim on its own merit). Low ticket prices haven't sunk Southwest, which by the way I prefer to fly for the reasons "surplus1" mentions.

capt. megadeth,

I really don't give two *%^$'s how much anyone pays for the ticket; and I don't think it's to much to ask that the pilot flying sit the bird down within the first third of the runway or otherwise have enough common sense to perform a go-around.

Regards

 

[Visceral]

IMO,
If flying safely was directly correlated to piloting hours and experience in the cockpit, there should be no accidents and incidents at the majors and quite a few more in comparison at the regionals.

The only land-long accident I can recall without searching the internet was by SWA. I don't know the experience level of the crew, but I'd think they had a bit.

 

[RJP]

Someone actually said that the girl had "the right stuff"......good gawd man.

Anyone with 200 hours has no business flying pax.

 

[Mickey757]

The last time hiring was fast and furious like it is now at the regional level was when the majors were all hiring like crazy with retirements at an all time high.

I don't get why the regionals feel like they have to hire the low timers at his point. This could eventually be a really bad thing the first time an RJ becomes a smoking hole with some kid in the front with about 500 hrs. of total time. My point is I'd rather not have school in session up front while my wife and kids are in the back traveling home for Thanksgiving. There are WAY too many highly qualified people in need of a job for this to be going on.

My guess is that the regionals were able to get by with this the last time they needed tons of pilots and they figured out that these guys are willing to work for next to nothing while being thrilled to fly a jet.

Better think again,
Northwest Airlink did put a smokeing hole in the ground.
Only they didn't kill 51 people, As you know only the two pilots were killed.
had there been a full boat, You can bet that things would be very different at the commuter "puppy mills"
P.S.
Not slamming the Commuter guys either, so save your nasty remarks!

 

[capt. megadeth]

capt. megadeth,

I really don't give two *%^$'s how much anyone pays for the ticket; and I don't think it's to much to ask that the pilot flying sit the bird down within the first third of the runway or otherwise have enough common sense to perform a go-around.

Regards

Sitting the bird down in the first 1/3 of the runway has nothing to do with how many hours someone has.

So, how many of you 10,000 hour pilots are willing to fly for a commuter for $20,000 a year? Like I said, you get what you pay for.

 

[T-Gates]

Better think again,
Northwest Airlink did put a smokeing hole in the ground.
Only they didn't kill 51 people, As you know only the two pilots were killed.
had there been a full boat, You can bet that things would be very different at the commuter "puppy mills"
P.S.
Not slamming the Commuter guys either, so save your nasty remarks!

I'm just going too keep my mouth shut. Christmas has been too good for me to go on an angry rampage.

 

[tradersltd]

Mickey757, you are an ass. Nice job refering to the Flagship crash, you are clueless to the actual cause to the crash, right? Were you on the NTSB board? No. You are a moron. You deserve to be taken out back an shot like the tool you are. Merry Christmas. I knew both those guys, there were my friends. And they didn't have 500 hours. D!CK...