Would you leave a good regional for NetJets?

[gr8dane]

What kind of pay do you get during training? How long is the training evolution?

 

[theskyking]

You get the 18 day first year pay rate which I believe is around $69000. Per diem at $1.60 and paid for health insurance starts when you step on the property.

Initial ground is around 2 weeks and sim is dependent on which airplane you are on, between 2 and 3 weeks. There could be a break between ground and sim depending on the slots available at FSI. After that, a few bounces in the plane with an instructor when they can get it scheduled then IOE.

 

[gr8dane]

Thanks Skyking. Sounds like a sweet deal. OO was a good stepping stone. Sounds like NJ is a great final stop.

 

[NachoMamma]

real quick and i care a he!! of a lot. Oh, by the way SWA can make over 100k pretty easy at yrs 2 and 3 as an fo, until we get to that level we should all care...

We will...just give it time. I'd say that in the next five years, we'll see salaries very similar to (if not higher than) SW.

 

[On Your Six]

With upgrade times estimated in the 6-7 year range for newhires, what is the seat lock situation for FOs? I assume that some FOs will want to bid a different aircraft after a few years (perhaps for variety sake - maybe bid a GIV or Falcon 2000 FO seat) even if they can't upgrade at that time. I think waiting 6-7 years in the right seat of a Beechjet or Ultra/Encore might get tiresome (even though those fleets aren't very busy) - but that's just me.

Is that common right now? Are FOs jumping from one fleet to another given that upgrade times are a bit longer now than in the past? What's the typical waiting time if that happens - after the first 2 years? What's the seat-lock policy?

 

[Twotter76]

Yup we are starting to see this now whereas historically SICs did not change seats because they would usually upgrade in less than 2 years. I just switched airplanes myself and there were two others in class with me doing the same thing. Looks like all the DA2000 SIC slots will be taken by guys that are already on property for the time being, lots of people with standing bids for that seat. Anytime you switch fleets you get a 39 month seat lock, however it will not restrict you from an upgrade if you are an SIC, the lock just goes with you.

 

[Guitar Guy]

...Per diem at $1.60...

Per diem is $1.70 per hour and has been so far a number of years.

...sim is dependent on which airplane you are on, between 2 and 3 weeks. There could be a break between ground and sim depending on the slots available at FSI. After that, a few bounces in the plane with an instructor when they can get it scheduled then IOE.

The length of the type training is dependent on the aircraft in question. The shortest type course is the Ultra at 17 days but the X and Falcon and planes of that complexity run over 3 weeks. The goal with all of the fleets is to have a one-day classroom session followed by 2 LOFT sessions. If that occurs, the intent is to send new-hires directly to IOE with the exception of a fleet like the X that does get a fam flight to get used to that plane's landing characteristics.

 

[kman]

We will...just give it time. I'd say that in the next five years, we'll see salaries very similar to (if not higher than) SW.

I sure hope so. Also, we need to get the senior guys a couple of more weeks of vacation after year ten or s sweat schd like 5 on 7 off.

 

[CA1900]

With upgrade times estimated in the 6-7 year range for newhires, what is the seat lock situation for FOs? I assume that some FOs will want to bid a different aircraft after a few years (perhaps for variety sake - maybe bid a GIV or Falcon 2000 FO seat) even if they can't upgrade at that time.

You're free to bid another aircraft as an FO after a 39-month equipment lock from date-of-hire. Making that move will incur a new 39-month equipment lock, but (this is a change in our new contract), you will not be locked out of upgrading if it comes up during that second seat lock. If you get an upgrade bid in a different airplane at that point, whatever's left of that 39-month lock will simply be added to your first captain's equipment lock.

So yeah, if you're a Beechjet SIC and want to try out a G200, you absolutely can do that.

Is that common right now? Are FOs jumping from one fleet to another given that upgrade times are a bit longer now than in the past?

Right now, not so much, but that will probably change a couple years down the road when folks looking at longer upgrade times come to that point.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Right now, not so much, but that will probably change a couple years down the road when folks looking at longer upgrade times come to that point.

I just observed the pre-LOFT classroom day of a group of SIC's in the X. Half of the class were transitions from other fleets.

It looks like it's already starting to happen, particularly for SIC's in the non-APU planes and for SIC's who will likely want a Falcon or G-200 to perhaps see more international flying or to have a FA (in the case of the Falcon).

 

[av8tor4239]

As far as all this- would you leave this for that, and that for this BullS***, I would never, ever leave NJ for a US major. after December 7th, 2008, leaving NJ for CO, UA or SW would be a lateral move/ a side step in my opinion.

There is nothing "Lateral" about it.. it is a DOWNGRADE... Until you have experienced life as a 121 airline pilot and a netjets pilot you wont understand that working for an airline can not hold a candle to working for NJ...

 

[xpdriver]

What is the current upgrade time at NJ.

who cares....You can make more at NJA as a 5 yr f/o than a 5 yr capt at any regional..Guys its about money and days off.(thats it) Is your ego so big you have to sit in the left seat..Those guys usually are the guys in charge of contract neg.

 

[FLYLOW22]

there has always got to be some smart&!&% on these posts. Grow up! Yes, his initials are JF. From what I hearing, I think I will jump ship from a "Good Regional", for you F-sticks out there. oxymoron this....

No need to take it personally bud. You asked, he provided his opinion,.

I happen to agree with his opinion. I do not consider any regional job "good"

I consider Major 121 positions as possible neutral options so long as the name doesn't begin with US AIR and at any other US Carrier my hire date was pre 1980.

Too much turmoil and uncertainty in the 121 biz these days to take my family on that ride. Far too much uncertainty to sit back and learn about what's next in my life by reading USA Today or watching Robin and Co on CNN Headline News.

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE Robin.

Given the choice, I'll take the stable certainty of the now vs the hurricane we once referred to as "the show" at Brand X, Y or Z.

The music is stopping and the chairs are getting yanked. I'd look to land here if I were on the outside looking in today.

 

[texman]

We will...just give it time. I'd say that in the next five years, we'll see salaries very similar to (if not higher than) SW.

I don't think so. I bet all the majors will jump their pay in the long run. Once a owner realizes they pay a beech jet driver 150k he will cancel his contract, and find some corp pilots to run his own jet for less. I am just worried about Day Jet taking over.

 

[gunfyter]

I don't think so. I bet all the majors will jump their pay in the long run. Once a owner realizes they pay a beech jet driver 150k he will cancel his contract, and find some corp pilots to run his own jet for less. I am just worried about Day Jet taking over.

I fly an owner who brings his own Flight Attendant ... The F/A told me his pay is $150K.

 

[illeagle]

"The F/A told me his pay is $150K."

Yeah, but what sort of "service" is required for that amount of coin??? Things that make me go Hmmm.

 

[jtf]

Day Jet is not in competition with the fractionals. The majority of the fractional pax out there wouldn't or couldn't settle for a VLJ that cannot either take their luggage, have the range, and/ or have the capability to take more than 3 or 4 pax. Day Jet may very well add more customers to the fracs as more people try out private jet travel, like it, and then demand more than a VLJ will give them. I don't know whether or not the fracs will ever pay as much as the top airlines, but they have now become better than most other pilot jobs.

 

[RCA]

I don't think so. I bet all the majors will jump their pay in the long run. Once a owner realizes they pay a beech jet driver 150k he will cancel his contract, and find some corp pilots to run his own jet for less. I am just worried about Day Jet taking over.

Is this the same owner that pays $5,000 for catering?
Just curious.

 

[xpdriver]

I don't think so. I bet all the majors will jump their pay in the long run. Once a owner realizes they pay a beech jet driver 150k he will cancel his contract, and find some corp pilots to run his own jet for less. I am just worried about Day Jet taking over.

because of NJA,corp pilots are now demanding better wages and QOL items.. Most know how much we make, $50k is not going to make an owner question his contract with NJA. THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO THE AIRLINES..

 

[fischman]

No need to take it personally bud. You asked, he provided his opinion,.

I happen to agree with his opinion. I do not consider any regional job "good"

I consider Major 121 positions as possible neutral options so long as the name doesn't begin with US AIR and at any other US Carrier my hire date was pre 1980.

Too much turmoil and uncertainty in the 121 biz these days to take my family on that ride. Far too much uncertainty to sit back and learn about what's next in my life by reading USA Today or watching Robin and Co on CNN Headline News.

Don't get me wrong... I LOVE Robin.

Given the choice, I'll take the stable certainty of the now vs the hurricane we once referred to as "the show" at Brand X, Y or Z.

The music is stopping and the chairs are getting yanked. I'd look to land here if I were on the outside looking in today.

Thanks for the support Dawg.

Somehow I think I will still be a f---stick. (I'm not sure what that is. Are you???)

If I am a f---stick, what does that make someone like George Bush, or Barry Bonds, or OJ Simpson?