Would you give up the jumpseat?

[johndt]

Hey,

I'm a TSA pilot and I had this -exact- thing happen to me -yesterday-. I was trying to go see my family on the jersey shore. It was either me or a Continental Express guy that got the js on a full flight and I'm AA code share so it was mine for the taking. I only have 3 days off then it's back to the hell that is TSA reserve so it would have been nice to get on that flight and see my family and have a little beach time and I was entitled to the seat as well, but I gave the CoEx guy the js so he could have an easier commute to work.

I don't think you -have- to do that. I think I'm totally awesome for being such a great guy. But if my desire to be on the beach and see my family had been just a bit greater I'd've taken the seat, and felt bad for Mr. CoEx.

My opinion on this is that we're all in the same ship, and that we should all treat each other the way we would want to be treated. If we look out for each other someone's always looking out for you.

 

[gator_hater]

Work trumps pleasure every time, no brainer.

 

[dbo861]

When this happens, I see which aviation academy the other pilot went to, and what his grades were like. If they are better then mine (never happens), I give up the seat.

It's nothing personal.

How did I know you went to Riddle before I even looked at your screen name?

 

[HelloNewman]

Work trumps pleasure every time, no brainer.

incorrect sir. Anyone who commutes know the risk they take when they make that choice not to move. If I ever have to commute should I get good news from my upcoming interview I will most likely move at some point. In the interim I would commute for a time. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat for me because I am going to work. Likewise I will never give up the jumpseat simply because they are going to work.

We all have somewhere to be. If someone misses work because I had the jumpseat I am not going to lose sleep over it. When I am traveling though no one knows I am a pilot at all. I take all crew tags off my bag and hide my badge. I simply wait until it is my turn to board then get on while the other jumpseater is probably still looking for someone that looks like a pilot hahaha.

If I don't have priority oh well thats life. If I do then I will be saying cya. I am not going to risk screwing myself over just because someone made the choice not to move for his company. That is why you travel incognito so you don't even have to deal with it. If you have priority you zip right on the plane when it is your turn to board. If someone bumps me then the gate will let me know and thats life.

 

[txpilot1974]

I have given up the jumpseat in this situation before. You have to help the guy going to work out and hope he would do the same.

Newman--you are either the biggest flamer or the biggest a$$hole of all time. It doesn't really matter because either way you are a tool. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

 

[rjacobs]

It helps to have a commuter clause!

If its a blowjets pilot were talking about you gotta have a contract to be able to have a commuter clause and I bet HK will shut that mother ********************er down before he signs a contract.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I have given up the jumpseat in this situation before. You have to help the guy going to work out and hope he would do the same.

Newman--you are either the biggest flamer or the biggest a$$hole of all time. It doesn't really matter because either way you are a tool. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

He is an excellent flamer.

I for one, would piss on him if he were on fire. I should mention though that often my urine is flammable! BOOYAAKASHA

 

[capt. megadeth]

I have given up the jumpseat in this situation before. You have to help the guy going to work out and hope he would do the same.

Newman--you are either the biggest flamer or the biggest a$$hole of all time. It doesn't really matter because either way you are a tool. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Dude! YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! I gave Newman the benefit of doubt in regards to all his/her stupid comments thinking he/she is a newbie and will learn. This one takes the cake though. Either a flamer or tool or both.

 

[HelloNewman]

Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

incorrect sir. Anyone who commutes know the risk blah blah blah blah blah blah

Sorry, I just don't have the energy to read what you write.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?

It is more complicated than a sick call. Besides why should you force someone to take a sick call, when you are just going somewhere for fun? What goes around comes around man. I've given the jumpseat up on ASA to mainline guys a few times when they were needing a ride. (On company, we can bump mainline.) I was going to work too, but I had a late duty-in.

Point is, we are all in this business together, and the guy you just bumped from the jumpseat may someday be your checkairman, or better yet, the captain on the jet you want to jumpseat on. If you ever bumped me so you could go to Disney World, I sure as heck would deny you the jumpseat on my plane...

 

[HelloNewman]

It is more complicated than a sick call. Besides why should you force someone to take a sick call, when you are just going somewhere for fun? What goes around comes around man. I've given the jumpseat up on ASA to mainline guys a few times when they were needing a ride. (On company, we can bump mainline.) I was going to work too, but I had a late duty-in.

Point is, we are all in this business together, and the guy you just bumped from the jumpseat may someday be your checkairman, or better yet, the captain on the jet you want to jumpseat on. If you ever bumped me so you could go to Disney World, I sure as heck would deny you the jumpseat on my plane...

That is the beauty of it when I travel/jumpseat no one knows what I am doing. No one even knows I am a crew member and that is how I like to keep it. I get my jumpseat pass and either blend in with the pax or immediately leave the boarding area until it is time to leave. I am willing to give it up no problem if there is a true family situation or something that requires urgent attention.

Getting to work just aint that big of an issue. There are many people who commute so someone going to work certainly does not merit special circumstances. Over 50% of airline pilots commute or have commuted at some point. Commuters just aren't that special and do not merit any special treatment especially when commuting is always a choice someone makes.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?

Ya... but if you travel "incognito" so nobody will recognize you as a pilot and you don't introduce yourself to other jumpseaters, then how would you know they had a family emergency? You're right about the seniority, but wrong about everything else.

 

[JettBoii]

I have given up my seat twice.

 

[SplitBar]

Perhaps he too was jumpseating for personal reasons. It's too easy to say...."I'm going to work" in order to make the other jumpseater feel guilty. It's a hard call but it is 1st come 1st serve.

 

[stinsonsue]

Thats why I like CAL's system for JS priority. Its very cut and dry who and when can and cant bump others. Different classes for different pilot groups. Inside of each class i.e. JS1, JS2, etc... if you check in outside of an hour prior and nobody else has checked in outside of one hour prior you own it. If somebody senior to you in your same JS class comes up inside of one hour tough ********************, its yours. If both of you come up inside of an hour prior the senior person gets it. At any time somebody with a higher JS class can bump you. With this system the most junior person at the company could take the JS over the most senior.

There is not a "one hour" cutoff at CAL. The cutoff is more around 10 to 20 minutes...whenever the agent puts it into the CASS system. You can be bumped up until that time.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I've given up the jumpseat to a guy going home when I was on my way to work (with plenty of time).

There is something important about being home too. You have to have priorities, and family should be top in my opinion.

Having said that, I probably would not give it up to someone going home if it meant me being late / missing work, and I have no problem giving it up for someone going to work.

 

[flyinghunter]

Given up the seat for people going to work multiple times when I'm going for pleasure. Newmans comments just reflect the downward spiral of society and the ME ME ME way people look at things now. Not only is it the right thing to do, but you never know who you're helping out get to work, maybe the guy is on the hiring committee where you want to be, just a thought.

 

[SplitBar]

Given up the seat for people going to work multiple times when I'm going for pleasure. Newmans comments just reflect the downward spiral of society and the ME ME ME way people look at things now. Not only is it the right thing to do, but you never know who you're helping out get to work, maybe the guy is on the hiring committee where you want to be, just a thought.

Most airlines have a commuter or "call in honest" policy so all you have to do is plan your commute to work accordingly. "Commuting to work" should not be a card that pilots play in order to bump another pilot out of the jumpseat. I'm not giving up a day of my vacation just because someone put off their commute to work till the last flight. We all have places to go so the jumpseat should remain 1st come 1st serve.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The point is fellas is to talk to one another and work it out....