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Marinedog

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So I was commuting to work today trying to jumpseat on a CHQ flight. I check in with the gate agent and she says the flight is over sold but there isn't anyone listed for the jumpseat so I should get on. Well after about 30min. this TSA guy shows up and he is commuting to go see family and since TSA and CHQ both fly for American and my airline does not he has priority for the jumpseat. While I don't disagree with that policy I do think there is an unspoken rule, among pilots, that if one guy is commuting for work and the other for pleasure the guy going to work takes priority. I know I have given up the jumpseat on numerous ocations when I am traveling for pleasure. Now if both guys are going to work all's fair in love and war. Seriously am I being too nice here should I just start saying good luck getting to work buddy I'll make sure I drink an extra one for ya since I'm going to get there 2 hours sooner!!! I'm not picking on TSA I just don't undertand what happen to common couresy. So the question is would you give up your seat???
 
It would have been courteous for him to give it, but of course, he doesn't have to. Personally, I would have given up the jumpseat. Oh well, it'll happen to him one day... just a matter of time! Karma's a edit!

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Your not wrong however you fail to mention if you explained to him that you had to meet a showtime for work.

I'm former TSA and I would always give the guy/gal the seat if it was just me going home. It's simple professional courtesy.

No airline has the lock on goobers though. I have been screwed by at least 1 pilot of every well known airline at some point including my own. Some just don't get it... what can you do.
 
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It is professional courtesy but what were the other factors? Next flight looked really bad, he possibly getting bumped by another jumpseater, he needed this flight so he can make his only connection home. If none of those apply then he was just being a tool.
 
Absolutely, I would give up the seat for a commuter going to work. To me...a no brainer, but thats just me.
 
Seriously am I being too nice here should I just start saying good luck getting to work buddy I'll make sure I drink an extra one for ya since I'm going to get there 2 hours sooner!!!
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You are following your own ethics and what YOU consider to be right. you are not being too nice, you are being yourself. we all know that there are folks out there that have no ethics
 
I always thought it was good practice to scope out the gate area and find other jumpseaters..to 'meet and greet' and find out who is going where and who has something important to do..

The jumpseaters that look at each other as suspect and adversaries obviously got into this profession for one thing. And/or their mother did a really poor job....
 
When this happens, I see which aviation academy the other pilot went to, and what his grades were like. If they are better then mine (never happens), I give up the seat.

It's nothing personal.
 
I guess I should have included that I talked to the guy for about 20min and he did know I was going to work. There was another flight a couple of hours later that he would have had priority on as well. To top it all off it turns out we went to the same school, at different times but none the less. And agian I wasn't picking on TSA I said that in my post just trying to get the story across. I'm glad to hear I'm not alone and it sounds like a lot of you would give up the seat.
 
Thats why I like CAL's system for JS priority. Its very cut and dry who and when can and cant bump others. Different classes for different pilot groups. Inside of each class i.e. JS1, JS2, etc... if you check in outside of an hour prior and nobody else has checked in outside of one hour prior you own it. If somebody senior to you in your same JS class comes up inside of one hour tough ********************, its yours. If both of you come up inside of an hour prior the senior person gets it. At any time somebody with a higher JS class can bump you. With this system the most junior person at the company could take the JS over the most senior.
 
4.0atRIDDLE said:
When this happens, I see which aviation academy the other pilot went to, and what his grades were like. If they are better then mine (never happens), I give up the seat.

It's nothing personal.
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Well you havent run into me yet!

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If you work for GoJets, you might find that this had something to do with it (I don't know if you do - why don't you tell us). In this case, most of the CHQ guys would probably let ANYONE JS ahead of you (alot of ex TSA guys over here).
 
Marinedog said:
So I was commuting to work today trying to jumpseat on a CHQ flight. I check in with the gate agent and she says the flight is over sold but there isn't anyone listed for the jumpseat so I should get on. Well after about 30min. this TSA guy shows up and he is commuting to go see family and since TSA and CHQ both fly for American and my airline does not he has priority for the jumpseat. While I don't disagree with that policy I do think there is an unspoken rule, among pilots, that if one guy is commuting for work and the other for pleasure the guy going to work takes priority. I know I have given up the jumpseat on numerous ocations when I am traveling for pleasure. Now if both guys are going to work all's fair in love and war. Seriously am I being too nice here should I just start saying good luck getting to work buddy I'll make sure I drink an extra one for ya since I'm going to get there 2 hours sooner!!! I'm not picking on TSA I just don't undertand what happen to common couresy. So the question is would you give up your seat???
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It helps to have a commuter clause!
 
I agree with MarineDog 100%. My own personal policy is that I will always give it up if the other guy is going to work and I'm not. Sorry about your luck man.
 
SKYW Pilot said:
It would have been courteous for him to give it, but of course, he doesn't have to. Personally, I would have given up the jumpseat. Oh well, it'll happen to him one day... just a matter of time! Karma's a b*tch!
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This is mindblowing from a skywest pilot...

The suggestion that you would do anything out of courtesy towards another pilot or pilot group instead of solely basing your decisions on getting yourself something or somewhere.
 
Nice flame dude... Doing a little "fishing" are we? I'll nibble a little. Please tell me what WONDERFUL regional you fly for so I can quit Skywest and see the errors of my ways!!! Save me FishandFly!!!!

Idiot...
 
Hey,

I'm a TSA pilot and I had this -exact- thing happen to me -yesterday-. I was trying to go see my family on the jersey shore. It was either me or a Continental Express guy that got the js on a full flight and I'm AA code share so it was mine for the taking. I only have 3 days off then it's back to the hell that is TSA reserve so it would have been nice to get on that flight and see my family and have a little beach time and I was entitled to the seat as well, but I gave the CoEx guy the js so he could have an easier commute to work.

I don't think you -have- to do that. I think I'm totally awesome for being such a great guy. But if my desire to be on the beach and see my family had been just a bit greater I'd've taken the seat, and felt bad for Mr. CoEx.

My opinion on this is that we're all in the same ship, and that we should all treat each other the way we would want to be treated. If we look out for each other someone's always looking out for you.
 
Work trumps pleasure every time, no brainer.
 
4.0atRIDDLE said:
When this happens, I see which aviation academy the other pilot went to, and what his grades were like. If they are better then mine (never happens), I give up the seat.

It's nothing personal.
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How did I know you went to Riddle before I even looked at your screen name?
 
gator_hater said:
Work trumps pleasure every time, no brainer.
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incorrect sir. Anyone who commutes know the risk they take when they make that choice not to move. If I ever have to commute should I get good news from my upcoming interview I will most likely move at some point. In the interim I would commute for a time. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat for me because I am going to work. Likewise I will never give up the jumpseat simply because they are going to work.

We all have somewhere to be. If someone misses work because I had the jumpseat I am not going to lose sleep over it. When I am traveling though no one knows I am a pilot at all. I take all crew tags off my bag and hide my badge. I simply wait until it is my turn to board then get on while the other jumpseater is probably still looking for someone that looks like a pilot hahaha.

If I don't have priority oh well thats life. If I do then I will be saying cya. I am not going to risk screwing myself over just because someone made the choice not to move for his company. That is why you travel incognito so you don't even have to deal with it. If you have priority you zip right on the plane when it is your turn to board. If someone bumps me then the gate will let me know and thats life.
 
txpilot1974 said:
I have given up the jumpseat in this situation before. You have to help the guy going to work out and hope he would do the same.

Newman--you are either the biggest flamer or the biggest a$$hole of all time. It doesn't really matter because either way you are a tool. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
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He is an excellent flamer.

I for one, would piss on him if he were on fire. I should mention though that often my urine is flammable! BOOYAAKASHA
 
txpilot1974 said:
I have given up the jumpseat in this situation before. You have to help the guy going to work out and hope he would do the same.

Newman--you are either the biggest flamer or the biggest a$$hole of all time. It doesn't really matter because either way you are a tool. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
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Dude! YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUT OF MY MOUTH! I gave Newman the benefit of doubt in regards to all his/her stupid comments thinking he/she is a newbie and will learn. This one takes the cake though. Either a flamer or tool or both.
 
Hey I am just treating people as I want to be treated. I don't want to give up the jumpseat just because someone is going to work. I would never expect anyone to give up the jumpseat if I was going to work. The jumpseat is for WORK and PLEASURE. Whoever gets there first or has the seniority wins the prize. Now if someone had a family emergency or something that is a different story. Someone maybe missing work is not even that big of a deal. Can you say sick call?
 

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