Would SKYW inc trade ASA PBS and dumping ALPA for 1 list?

[Tarzan]

I've flown the 200 and 700/900. No reason we should NOT have dual qual.

 

[sweptback]

I've flown the 200 and 700/900. No reason we should NOT have dual qual.

Tell your ALPA reps then. I'm for it, as I suppose most ASA pilots are.

It's only the super senior crowd that is against it... most of the others realize it's something that might be holding us back.

Still, regardless of dual qualification, with as many spare airplanes as we having sitting around, we should be a shoe-in for the bid, one would think.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Tell your ALPA reps then. I'm for it, as I suppose most ASA pilots are.

It's only the super senior crowd that is against it... most of the others realize it's something that might be holding us back.

Another BOLD FACED ALPA lie! ALPA made it a "safety" issue during the last negotiations....You know that as you are on the inside...I have been calling for dual qual. for years...only to be told how "dangerous" it is, and that I didn't understand because I was on the ATR.

I don't see the big deal about dual qual....I'd could do my next roundtrip in an ATR for that matter....

The ALPA reps. already know this, and the natives are growing restless...Newie and gang better get going on keeping us competitive, especially considering how bad the PNCL TA appears to be.....

 

[Speedtape]

Another BOLD FACED ALPA lie! ALPA made it a "safety" issue during the last negotiations....You know that as you are on the inside...I have been calling for dual qual. for years...only to be told how "dangerous" it is, and that I didn't understand because I was on the ATR.

I don't see the big deal about dual qual....I'd could do my next roundtrip in an ATR for that matter....
That's because you are an Aviation genius. We have alot of pilots who can't consistently pass check rides on one airplane, much less 2.

The ALPA reps. already know this, and the natives are growing restless...Newie and gang better get going on keeping us competitive, especially considering how bad the PNCL TA appears to be.....

You have an agenda. It has nothing do with dual qual. The natives are restless??? hahaha The natives are always restless.

 

[at7driver]

it seems the music player is winding down.. we need to find a chair.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You have an agenda. It has nothing do with dual qual. The natives are restless??? hahaha The natives are always restless.

Everyone has an agenda. I have one and you have one....What is my agenda? I have seen quite a few ALPA "true believers" start to have doubts...

 

[JoeMerchant]

it seems the music player is winding down.. we need to find a chair.

Very true.

 

[JumpersAway]

Dual qual isn't my favorite of ideas, but if the pinnicle TA is as bad as I hear, and it passes, it's suddenly going to look a whole lot better to me, along with PBS, unfortunately. If anyone thinks we're not going to have to change our status quo to compete with pinnicle, you're sadly mistaken. Frankly, this is going to impact us all.........

 

[sweptback]

Another BOLD FACED ALPA lie! ALPA made it a "safety" issue during the last negotiations....You know that as you are on the inside...I have been calling for dual qual. for years...only to be told how "dangerous" it is, and that I didn't understand because I was on the ATR.

I think it's funny how you obviously have me confused with somebody else, yet I continue to get you worked up. All I did on the last contract was to vote in favor of it.

Last time in negotiations, for part of it we had 2 bases, one with exclusively 700 flying, and one with 80% 200 and 20% 700 flying. That to me is a safety issue, especially if you were SLC based (RIP) and expected to fly a 200 after not flying one for months.

Now with one big base, and a spread of 66% 200s and 33% 700/900s, it's less of an issue. Everybody would have a reasonable chance of keeping current in each airplane.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that dual qual and PBS will be the company's major issues in negotiations. Since it appears the union is already being flexible on PBS, why not dual qual too?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Dual qual isn't my favorite of ideas, but if the pinnicle TA is as bad as I hear, and it passes, it's suddenly going to look a whole lot better to me, along with PBS, unfortunately. If anyone thinks we're not going to have to change our status quo to compete with pinnicle, you're sadly mistaken. Frankly, this is going to impact us all.........

You're absolutely correct. I have no big desire for PBS. Twice this year, I have been able to extend 1 week of vacation into 5 weeks. However, we have to compete in this environment....PBS and dual qual. are two ways to do this....The "intel" from the PNCL TA is that is was rushed because of a new RFP...It may be the new DAL LGA flying...

 

[PCL_128]

The "intel" from the PNCL TA is that is was rushed because of a new RFP...

No, it was rushed at the end because the NMB was getting pissed off that both sides were spending time bickering about dual qual.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think it's funny how you obviously have me confused with somebody else, yet I continue to get you worked up. All I did on the last contract was to vote in favor of it.

Yeah...OK...I know that members of the MEC, CNC, and Communications Comm. post on here anonymously to keep people in line...Attacking dissension and deflecting blame are two themes...You use both...

Last time in negotiations, for part of it we had 2 bases, one with exclusively 700 flying, and one with 80% 200 and 20% 700 flying. That to me is a safety issue, especially if you were SLC based (RIP) and expected to fly a 200 after not flying one for months.

Then to you it is still a safety issue...There will be times when you won't fly one or the other for months...Don't blame it on the "senior" pilots...That is a lie and you just admitted that you and others played the "safety card"...

I disagree with the "safety" argument...The instructors do it....Mesa does it...Are you implying that our line pilots aren't as good as the instructors or Mesa pilots? I'm flying the 200 now. I would have no problem getting in an ATR today. When I'm off I fly a C172, a Twin Comanche, and a Bonanza...Is that safe?

It doesn't take a genius to realize that dual qual and PBS will be the company's major issues in negotiations. Since it appears they're already being flexible on PBS, why not dual qual too?

It doesn't take a genius to realize that we are the high cost operator and other regionals new to the DCI "family" are positioning themselves for any growth that may come down the road. It doesn't take a genius to realize that ALPA overplayed the "safety card" on dual qual. It doesn't take a genius to realize that PBS is going to come eventually whether you like it or not.

 

[JoeMerchant]

No, it was rushed at the end because the NMB was getting pissed off that both sides were spending time bickering about dual qual.

Your beloved Democratic Obama NMB? Say it ain't so comrade...Having negotiated in front of the NMB myself, there is no way it was rushed because of that single issue....The NMB can't rush it anyway...You know that...

The NMB has 3 options:

1. Release
2. Park (recess)
3. Continue negotiations

They cannot rush the negotiations as you imply.

 

[sweptback]

Then to you it is still a safety issue...There will be times when you won't fly one or the other for months...Don't blame it on the "senior" pilots...That is a lie and you just admitted that you and others played the "safety card"...

I disagree with the "safety" argument...The instructors do it....Mesa does it...Are you implying that our line pilots aren't as good as the instructors or Mesa pilots? I'm flying the 200 now. I would have no problem getting in an ATR today. When I'm off I fly a C172, a Twin Comanche, and a Bonanza...Is that safe?

Think about the politics of the argument, the SLC base was mostly senior (at least until towards the end) and all flew the 700.

Your second paragraph is just baiting me. I'm not going to address it, except to say that the GA accident rate is much higher than that of the airlines, mostly because of the lack of type-specific training. Do with that what you will.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Think about the politics of the argument, the SLC base was mostly senior (at least until towards the end) and all flew the 700.

Your second paragraph is just baiting me. I'm not going to address it, except to say that the GA accident rate is much higher than that of the airlines, mostly because of the lack of type-specific training. Do with that what you will.

You are still doing the "ALPA two step". You are making it a safety issue, yet trying to blame it on the "senior" pilots....ATL was more senior than SLC on the 700 by the way....

We aren't going to agree on the "safety" argument...I don't believe that the accident rate is higher at GA because of lack of "type-specific training". It is higher because of lower experience, equipment (including maintenance), and less stringent operating rules and restrictions.

For argument sake, let's say I had type specific training in the 172, Bonanza, and Twin Comanche as you say is the reason for the higher accident rate...Would it then be safe for me to fly the different airplanes?
Did you know that our ATR instructors, who are currently 700 line pilots, are still qualified and used to move the 4 ATRs that still sit in MCN...Is that "safe"?

I'm not "baiting" you...I'm holding you and the rest of the MEC/CNC/Commun. Comm. accountable for what you say...