World

[PFTEXPJET]

Bornagainpagan,

Coming from a person with your title and your logo, their is no reply needed.

As for MD11drv, best of luck to you. I'll let the IPO offer filed with the SEC be my evidence on which division makes all the money. Which BTW has been pulled due to a lack of interest.

As for JJet44, I know who you are and you are not telling the whole story about your 6 month employment. Why don't you tell everyone what really happened. Don't be shy!

 

[Bellerophon]

Did you read the IPO offer, we had $128 mil in the bank when you purchased us, you took our own money to buy us. We then made another $87 mil the following 2 years. You seem to forget that it was NAA paying for that pretty B747 that sat on the ramp in Leipzig for 7 months. As for CH, he is right...... READ the 10Q reports.

The 2005 10Q stated World Holdings bought NAA for $35 million. Thats a great deal for an airline with $128 million in the bank.

As for the $87 million income, welcome to our AMC team. It sure pays more than the Hawaii and South American flying NAA was doing prior to the purchase.

Bel

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Bornagainpagan,

Coming from a person with your title and your logo, their is no reply needed.

Oh, okay. uhm, thanks for replying that a reply isn't needed

 

[waka]

On FI.com, should one be judged simply by their title (nickname) and logo or should they be judged by the content of their post? I choose the latter. Furthermore, what kind of person judges by appearances? You lose PFTEXjet

 

[stupidpilot]

On FI.com, should one be judged simply by their title (nickname) and logo or should they be judged by the content of their post? I choose the latter. Furthermore, what kind of person judges by appearances? You lose PFTEXjet

Coming from you? That's rich!

 

[PFTEXPJET]

The 2005 10Q stated World Holdings bought NAA for $35 million. Thats a great deal for an airline with $128 million in the bank.

As for the $87 million income, welcome to our AMC team. It sure pays more than the Hawaii and South American flying NAA was doing prior to the purchase.

Bel

WOW, these are very inaccurate statements. Do you know anything about the teams and how to DOD reconfigured the flying in Jan 2010? BTW, World purchased ATA for $350 mil and that has lead to the Debt that GAH has.

The bottom line is World is hiring, NAA is losing airframes and World IBT and personal connected with IBT, intentionally signed 3 MOU's before leaving NAA to screw us. World's MEC knows this and has done nothing to correct it. That is unity!

 

[MD11Drvr]

PFT

Check your facts....World did not buy ATA.

Mattlin Patterson along with a few other investors owned a holding company that bought World Risk Solutions which owned both World and NAA. The day of the purchase ATA holdings went away along with World Risk and became Global Aero Logistics. You may also know WOA was saddled with 75% of the debt while NAA with 25% because of relative size of each company. The investors took their money back out of both companies and left us both saddled with the debt.

If NAA decertified the IBT then why would you still be saddled with the MOU's. The all powerful ALPA could not rid you of these?

On a personal note I would really like to recommend decaf for you, maybe a hot cup of Sanka would the be the fix. All of this whining is making you look bad and I am worried about your health with all of this pent up rage. Again I recommend relaxing about the things of which we have no control.

Stay healthy out there as this hedge fund is not quite done exacting their pound of flesh from both World and NAA.

 

[PFTEXPJET]

MD11Drvr, again the personal atttacks and all I did was post the truth. READ the IPO, read the 10Q, I'm right. Enjoy your growth at World and remember these days. Not offering furlough NAA pilots a job while hiring off the street is wrong, I hope it never happens to you. The End.

 

[waka]

Coming from you? That's rich!

Oh?

The FI.com King of Self-Contradiction makes a comment! How grand!

Now quit hijacking threads for your own personal vendetta by stalking me via the forum, creep.

Boy, you must have LOTS of time on your hands!

 

[waka]

MD11Drvr, again the personal atttacks and all I did was post the truth. READ the IPO, read the 10Q, I'm right. Enjoy your growth at World and remember these days. Not offering furlough NAA pilots a job while hiring off the street is wrong, I hope it never happens to you. The End.

You're just incorrigible.

 

[stupidpilot]

Oh?

The FI.com King of Self-Contradiction makes a comment! How grand!

Now quit hijacking threads for your own personal vendetta by stalking me via the forum, creep.

Boy, you must have LOTS of time on your hands!

It's so easy to get a rise out of you i don't know why I even bother.

 

[waka]

It's so easy to get a rise out of you i don't know why I even bother.

A. You "bother" because of your desperate need for attention

B. You have NEVER gotten a rise out of me as I don't expend an ounce of stress to you. You're just funny....in a pitiful sort of way.

You're the one that always gets hot and bothered.

 

[stupidpilot]

Ya. Right. Keep telling yourself that Shirley. You might actually convince yourself of it someday.

 

[Bellerophon]

WOW, these are very inaccurate statements.

Maybe I did not understad you. I thought you were talking about World Holdings purchase of NAA. All I did was Google the World Holdings 2005 10Q and found the NAA purchase agreement attached. If you just google the NAA purchase by World Holdings you can see many press releases stating the $35 million purchase price.

I am not wrong about the yields concerning Hawaii and South American flying vs. AMC flying. NAA dropped most of its pre-2005 flying to pick up Alliance AMC flying. If you look at the 2006 10Qs you will see a drop in World Airways AMC flying as NAA AMC flying picks up. I would post the numbers but I have to go to work. Maybe you could google the 2005/2006 10Q's and post the AMC revenue from both airlines.

You are right that World Airways should be hiring NAA fuloughed pilots. That needs to be looked into.

As far as the Matlin IPO 10Q's, that ship has sailed. We are in our sixth year of combined operations. Global has sucked most of our support departments into Global's stable. The latest victim was NAA finance department just got moved to Global. World Airways and NAA are just shells of their former airlines. Soon they will just be two lists of pilots, FA's and dispatchers. Thats until they decide to buy/start a third airline. Or shut down one.


Bel

 

[PFTEXPJET]

Bel
I am not wrong about the yields concerning Hawaii and South American flying vs. AMC flying

Not sure what this is but NAA has never had SA flying for AMC, maybe you are thinking about Arrow, which MP owns. I make be reading this wrong and I'm too lazy to go back. As for the support staff of NAA (i.e. building 141) the wrong people are losing their jobs. The building needs a good cleaning so a lot of us are hoping the FA, MX, dispatch and crew scheduling moves to Tampa. Most of those people in N.Y. would not make the move and that would be fine with the pilots. That make sound heartless but you need to understand the kind of people that work in building 141 to understand the statement. As for my first post of "You make me sick", I'm upset, not at World pilots but at something’s that World pilots could do for NAA pilots. When we voted Alpa on the property, DB with the airline division of IBT (World's division) signed 3 MOUs that were very pro NAA, our company is saying these are valid and have applied them to our day to day operations. You know how hard it is for a union to get anything changed and we are fighting this. However, DB at IBT needs to be held accountable for his vindictive behavior. World pilots could help; World MEC could do a lot. As for the comments on ALPA, I could care less; they suck just not as bad as IBT. As for World not hiring NAA furloughed pilots, it's just wrong. World HR is aware of furloughed NAA pilots and not one has been called. There is no justification for that.

When CMc comes to NAA for a town hall meeting, he unapologetically tells us that World comes first from a marketing stand point. His reason is World has higher overhead so instead of NAA get B777, that flying goes to the MD11. The problem with that is the AMC no longer wants the MD11, they want B777 (look at Omni), and they also want B767F and some B757F. Again, Naa is told, no you can't have any of those airframes because that would take business away from World and our ability to purchase B747F. With that information, the future for any NAA pilot is bleak. We are at the mercy of World and MP.