World

[PFTEXPJET]

Md11drvr

WOA had over 50 Mil in the bank when they bought NA and we did not need NA except for their incompetency at getting 767's on the ramp.

Lastly I am not going to turn this thread into a urinary olympics about NA and WOA. Since all of these things like integration and making sure everyone has a job is out of my pay grade and it just seems stupid to engage in such 4th grade behavior.


Did you read the IPO offer, we had $128 mil in the bank when you purchased us, you took our own money to buy us. We then made another $87 mil the following 2 years. You seem to forget that it was NAA paying for that pretty B747 that sat on the ramp in Leipzig for 7 months. As for CH, he is right...... READ the 10Q reports.

We have not hire a single World pilot, not one, under court order we have to hire ATA pilots!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, nice 4 grade remark about NAA's ability to get aircraft off the ground, for the last 4 years we have beat everyone in AMC on time performance, not World or anyone else. I'll make sure to pass your remarks onto our pilot group.

 

[MD11Drvr]

PFT

The 4th grade comment was not aimed at anything else besides this conversation as 2 line pilots cannot and will not change what the 4th floor does. It seems quite infantile to argue about it but feel free to pass along what you will. I have spoken to many NAA crews bought a few drinks and have always found your pilot group first rate with the same problems we have.

WOA had over 50 Mil in the bank when they bought NA and we did not need NA except for their incompetency at getting 767's on the ramp.

That statement was aimed squarely at WOA Management for not starting the 767 program when they should have. Our Flt Ops Mgmt. was screaming for years at them and they drug their feet and then to meet promises made to AMC bought NAA.

WOA is working under the same court order where it affects hiring ex ATA and its a ratio of pilots interviewed and hired. I believe its a 4 to 1 and my understanding is the requirement dropped in April and now both airlines are no longer subject to this court order.

Lastly I do not track NAA performance as frankly I do not care. I track WOA's since I work here and the competition is as free to be #1 as possible, I do not begrudge anyone's ability to provide a first rate product to AMC since quite frankly our Military deserve much more than either of us or anyone can offer so we all do the best we can. I sincerely wish NAA and all of us the best in our communal efforts to stay alive while being owned by a predatory hedge fund that is only interested in taking the earnings away from its employees and putting that money in their pockets.

Cheers

 

[kingairpilot]

Fella's, fella's, fella's,

In the immortal words of my man, Rodney King..."Can't we all just get along?"

ka

 

[SMcC]

Fella's, fella's, fella's,

In the immortal words of my man, Rodney King..."Can't we all just get along?"

ka

...ditto

It's a typical and predictable response among pilots to blame each other for management's poor choices.
And guys, it plays right into their hands.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Sorry you're feeling sick, have a drink and relax. As I recall NA did some hiring while World had crews out on furlough and while I agree it sucks those decisions are made well above our pay grade. As to the combined seniority list you need to talk your reps of 5 years ago when World bought NA.

Amazing, we still have pilots that are furlough, are you offering them a job? NO YOU ARE NOT! What's more amazing, we are hiring your over paid 90 year old flight attendants at their World pay rates. Have you interviewed one of our furlough pilots? NO! As for the combined seniority list, I remember that conversation; Dear NAA pilots, since we are both IBT, we will staple you to the bottom of the list and not offer you anything. That's sounds like a great deal for you. Without us World would be out of business, not my words but CM words in at a town hall meeting in Leipzig. As for IBT, your boy DB, signed 3 MOUs before he walked out the door, just because he was pissed that we went to ALPA. Why don't you question IBT about that issue? Ask HR why none of the NAA furlough pilots are being interviewed? After that, come up with a better integration of the seniority list than us being stapled to the bottom. As for your new hires, they should not be on the property before an NAA pilot!

WOW, your anger is extremely misguided at the wrong group. I believe a lot of your statements are false, but that may be because it's rhetoric from your union. I clearly remember your union not participating in talks when we wanted to as the whole Global thing was happening.

None of that is here nor there, but being pissed at the World pilots will get you nowhere, as we don't make the decision piss you off.

By the way, have any of your furloughed guys tried applying?

Best wishes,

PtP

 

[JJET44]

MD-11,
Just ignore PFTEXTJET. I worked at NAA for a total of six months and I had to leave. I can't believe I'm saying this but I hated the people that I flew with. They were some of the most disgruntle, negative people I've ever had to work with. I left without any job prospects what-so-ever it was so bad. It was mostly senior folk and Union reps with the attitudes. I still keep in touch with a few of my classmates and they said that the whole pilot group is now infected. The union really ruined a once good place to work.

 

[CaptSeth]

I have a tiny little miniature violin around here somewhere, let me see, I'll try and get it out so I can play a sad, sad song on it for both of your groups.....

 

[johnsonrod]

Will World hire into the 400 at some point? Realistically, how soon could a newhire bid and get a 400 slot if he were so inclined? Any difference in pay and schedule between the MD11 and the 400 for newbies on either fleet? How many more 400s on the way?

 

[johnny taliban]

Hiring will be into both aircraft. You may have a choice of aircraft depending on when you interview. I don't see any reason they would just assign you an aircraft if they had spots available on both at the time of the interview. Pay scale is the same for both fleets.

They have hired many RJ Capts so if your interested get you stuff in and buy a big suitcase.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

You guys make me sick! We carried World for the last 3 years and now you are hiring while we are losing airframes. You should be hiring our guys or at least have a combined seniority list! NAA Pilot!

I have friends at both North American and World. I'm sure neither would want to spend time with you, layover or in the cockpit. I bet you're just loads of fun!

You've got serious anger issues sonny. Seriously, get professional help.

 

[PFTEXPJET]

Bornagainpagan,

Coming from a person with your title and your logo, their is no reply needed.

As for MD11drv, best of luck to you. I'll let the IPO offer filed with the SEC be my evidence on which division makes all the money. Which BTW has been pulled due to a lack of interest.

As for JJet44, I know who you are and you are not telling the whole story about your 6 month employment. Why don't you tell everyone what really happened. Don't be shy!

 

[Bellerophon]

Did you read the IPO offer, we had $128 mil in the bank when you purchased us, you took our own money to buy us. We then made another $87 mil the following 2 years. You seem to forget that it was NAA paying for that pretty B747 that sat on the ramp in Leipzig for 7 months. As for CH, he is right...... READ the 10Q reports.

The 2005 10Q stated World Holdings bought NAA for $35 million. Thats a great deal for an airline with $128 million in the bank.

As for the $87 million income, welcome to our AMC team. It sure pays more than the Hawaii and South American flying NAA was doing prior to the purchase.

Bel

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Bornagainpagan,

Coming from a person with your title and your logo, their is no reply needed.

Oh, okay. uhm, thanks for replying that a reply isn't needed

 

[waka]

On FI.com, should one be judged simply by their title (nickname) and logo or should they be judged by the content of their post? I choose the latter. Furthermore, what kind of person judges by appearances? You lose PFTEXjet

 

[stupidpilot]

On FI.com, should one be judged simply by their title (nickname) and logo or should they be judged by the content of their post? I choose the latter. Furthermore, what kind of person judges by appearances? You lose PFTEXjet

Coming from you? That's rich!

 

[PFTEXPJET]

The 2005 10Q stated World Holdings bought NAA for $35 million. Thats a great deal for an airline with $128 million in the bank.

As for the $87 million income, welcome to our AMC team. It sure pays more than the Hawaii and South American flying NAA was doing prior to the purchase.

Bel

WOW, these are very inaccurate statements. Do you know anything about the teams and how to DOD reconfigured the flying in Jan 2010? BTW, World purchased ATA for $350 mil and that has lead to the Debt that GAH has.

The bottom line is World is hiring, NAA is losing airframes and World IBT and personal connected with IBT, intentionally signed 3 MOU's before leaving NAA to screw us. World's MEC knows this and has done nothing to correct it. That is unity!

 

[MD11Drvr]

PFT

Check your facts....World did not buy ATA.

Mattlin Patterson along with a few other investors owned a holding company that bought World Risk Solutions which owned both World and NAA. The day of the purchase ATA holdings went away along with World Risk and became Global Aero Logistics. You may also know WOA was saddled with 75% of the debt while NAA with 25% because of relative size of each company. The investors took their money back out of both companies and left us both saddled with the debt.

If NAA decertified the IBT then why would you still be saddled with the MOU's. The all powerful ALPA could not rid you of these?

On a personal note I would really like to recommend decaf for you, maybe a hot cup of Sanka would the be the fix. All of this whining is making you look bad and I am worried about your health with all of this pent up rage. Again I recommend relaxing about the things of which we have no control.

Stay healthy out there as this hedge fund is not quite done exacting their pound of flesh from both World and NAA.

 

[PFTEXPJET]

MD11Drvr, again the personal atttacks and all I did was post the truth. READ the IPO, read the 10Q, I'm right. Enjoy your growth at World and remember these days. Not offering furlough NAA pilots a job while hiring off the street is wrong, I hope it never happens to you. The End.

 

[waka]

Coming from you? That's rich!

Oh?

The FI.com King of Self-Contradiction makes a comment! How grand!

Now quit hijacking threads for your own personal vendetta by stalking me via the forum, creep.

Boy, you must have LOTS of time on your hands!

 

[waka]

MD11Drvr, again the personal atttacks and all I did was post the truth. READ the IPO, read the 10Q, I'm right. Enjoy your growth at World and remember these days. Not offering furlough NAA pilots a job while hiring off the street is wrong, I hope it never happens to you. The End.

You're just incorrigible.