Wondering

[FL450]

"Just remember, we are all in the same business "

Really? Are you lumping all of aviation together? I'm interested in your explanation of this.


"HEY, trust me, read my posts - I dont claim to know anything about Execjet, Netjets (whatever) all I know is what I read here. I dont really care about your operation, I would NEVER take a job there - ever- you work too hard and I could not live on your salary."

I guess that would be reason enough for you to antagonize other pilots, wouldn't it? I'm not sure why you delight in such posts, but I am thankful that you are in the minority.

 

[Dep676]

NJA Capt

I am not worrying about your company or contract. I am saying that you guys need to worry about your own company and noboby else's. I could give two craps what kind of pay you guys get over there. I hope they wise up and get rid of the union. Let's see you got Captains in the X making 46k. That's good keep up the good work IBT.

All small cabin FO's start at 34k here at Options. Captains in the small cabin start at 52k. Notice that is the small cabin aircraft too. Not saying any of that is great money either. It would appear that it is more than the IBT got you guys.

So don't give some bullsh!t response and pull selective words from my post. Try and make it look like I care about your company or contract. I was just calling you self professed "sky gods" out at NJA. Everytime someone posts about a fractional. You guys chime in with your two cents about what you heard or think you know. So again I say don't worry about my company. Worry about your own and your "bullsh!t contract".

Oh yeah well we are at it I heard Uncle Warren sold FSI. So now more good deals over ther for you guy at NJA. Isn't that how guys work on rumors about other business. SO AGAIN I SAY WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN COMPANY INSTEAD OF OTHERS. Is that clear enough for you.

Hey what happened to abenaki? He must of realized the trash he was talking wasn't getting anywhere and deleted all his posts. His posts are all gone.

 

[abenaki]

No, I'm around.....It is very simple......To attempt to converse with those on this board (yourself included) who are so full of bitterness and rancor is a waste of my time and energy. I have no desire to participate in "discussions" that are primarily driven by condescending atittudes, patronizing styles, insults, lack of courtesy and mutual respect, the unwillingness to READ what another has said all the while being accused of things that I DID NOT DO....and that includes jumping in/on FLOPS or FLEXJETS pilots, their company, their management or anything else that YOU accuse me of that I DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN. You haven't got a CLUE as to what you are falsely accusing me of.

You too, like Gulfstream200, are simply people I choose not to deal with simply because your styles are reflective of a character type that are ones where constructive, useful dialogue are not achievable.

 

[Dep676]

Appreciate your concern... But I have confidence in the IBT.... My brother drives a truck that weighs less than my aircraft in Westchester as a Teamster and makes 100K per year....

It was not done all in their first contract.

We will be better off in the long run.

Now that Ricci is gone, I know you'll still get your raise to match and beat NJA's IBT new CBA wages when it is settled. Cause you got that promise IN WRITING -- right?

Wow that really shows how much the IBT cares about you guys. You got guys driving truck making that kind of money. Just think of how much school that had to go through to drive that truck. Maybe if you guys drove trucks instead of flying airplanes you might be able to make that much too.

I never said anything about getting a raise. I don't believe anythng anybody says until it actually happens. Until they are just blowing hot air. Kind of like the IBT does to you guys.

 

[Dep676]

Yeah and we run into people from your company that asks about Ricci. Then when we ask about your "contract" you just turn around and walk away.

How many years has the IBT been helping you? Maybe they will get it right someday before you retire.

 

[sweptwingz]

Guys (and gals) Please... ease up!

The fractional and corporate "chest
bumping" here reminds me of two children saying: "Did NOT, did TOO!"

Can't we keep the faith and get along
here? Unemployed pilots (and under-
employed pilots) are bad for the
industry, bad for ALL of us. More pilots on the street means lower salaries, and fewer jobs. How can that possibly
benefit ANYONE?

Pilots have GOT to stick together...we're ALL we've got ! Management hates our guts, passengers think we're over paid prima-donnas, and TSA thinks we're ALL terrorists! Let's try HELPING our fellow airplane drivers out rather than
slamming them!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, today's "dream job" can turn into a furlough line faster than you can spit.

And one more thing...that pilot you
downchecked, furloughed, or bumped
off of your jump-seat beacuse he wasn't on some "list" may very well be
on your interview board next year. I've seen it happen. This is a VERY
small community...think about it.

Be part of the solution, not part of
the problem.

 

[swberry]

Boy! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
One person resonding doesn't exactly constitute striking a nerve. What's really funny, is all the non-NJA people that think they will get a raise because we do. That's about as ignorant of an assumption as you can make.



Ironic message don't you think. Maybe you should take your own advise.

Excellent points NJA Capt. I can't imagine being that mad over what someone else makes for a living. Relax, or your head might explode.

 

[swberry]

Then why do you read and post on the fractional side of this board?




Are you in denial? 100,000 pro pilots in the country, 2000 work at NetJets. 2000 of us are pulling the other 198,000 down? If it helps you to rationalize, knock yourself out. Yourself and many other pilots on this venue brag about YOUR wonderful pay so obviously it's not dragging YOU guys down now is it?

You don't think the 50,000 charter pilots flying Citations etc for 15K-25K has an effect, right?

Well, I screwed that up. This is the quote I meant to comment on.

 

[Dep676]

The point is my TEAMSTER truck driving brother makes more than any of your pilots...
Why? Because your pay is based on our pay....

That is not true about your brother making more than any of our pilots. First year GIV pay is 100,000.00 a year. These two comments by you so your ignorance. If our pay was based on yours we would be getting paid a lot less than we are. That fact is our pay is better than yours. Maybe someday that might not be that case. It is in fact the case now. So hold your breath for your IBT and maybe you won't pass out before they actually get you your raises.

 

[Toploader]

Dep, you need to go back and re-read all of your posts on this thread. I'm sure you are a nice guy, but your posts just do not reflect that.

If this keeps up, I might put you in the "ignore" file with Turbinehead!

Toploader

P.S. I just might put this entire thread on the "Ignore" list