Women and minority pilots.

[a&p cfiguy]

I'm looking some facts. I know it may be somewhat unpopular to talk about, but I hear a lot of opinions out there and I just wonder if there are hard core facts to back them up. The other day I was speaking to an F/O for a regional carrier (i won't say which one) about women pilots. He gave me a number that was something like 90% of all incidents in his company, involved a women flight crew member. I kinda find it hard to believe and was just wondering if this guy was just a sexist, or is it really true? Do women flight crew members create a distraction? Especially very attractive ones? I'm not saying that women are bad pilots. I'm just wondering how a male/female crew will interact differently than a male/male crew. I have no idea myself, I've only flown single pilot so far myself.

Also, where are all the black pilots? I've been flying for about 5 years now, and I can honestly say, I have never met a black pilot! I've met plenty of black mechanics, lineman, etc, so I know they are out there in aviation. I have seen black foreign pilots (hatian, bahamian, etc), but I'm talking about an african-american pilot. Never seen or met any. You'd think high school guidance concelors would be encouraging this field. Anyone know any statisitcs? Again, I'm not implying anything negative here. If anything, I'd would prefer to see more diversity in aviaiton. Gets boring dealing with the same ole people everyday.

 

[Hipster Loser]

Ive had a few black instructors while getting my ratings in the NE. The flight school had several black CFI's in fact. My GF just took an RJ out to CMH and the Captain was black and the FO Hispanic. They are out there, just not in large numbers. I hardly see female pilots myself, but I know they exist.

It does appear that aviation is dominated by white males and this may make it intimidating for someone other than caucasian to get involved. They may feel as though that they won't be accepted if they arent white.

The flight school where I used to work had plenty of black students too.

For those who arent familair with it, there's a black pilots organization. I'm not sure of the website name though.

I can see how a hot FO or CAPT. might distrtact me though!

I get nervous aroundthe hot ones!!!

 

[Cardinal]

90%? Highly doubtful, or a remarkable coincidence.
Distraction? No, at least not an unwelcome one
Yes, there are black pilots.
No, guidance counselors will never recommend this career, and will never offer a single piece of useful advice to the aspiring aviator. They are simply a corrupting influence to impressionable minds.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Yes aviation is obviously dominated by white dumb men. Dont snub those black mechanics...they make a heck of a lot more that yo lilly white F/O arse!



As far as the woman thing...not sure about the distraction..the few women I have flown with were/are very competent, good pilots.

Although...one cannot deny that many women make it to positions that might not be the best qualified for because they can check that box (box, get it?) I say good for them.

anyone have a link to that Fedex broad who wrecked the MD11?...she is the perfect expample of this. If she was a he she would have NEVER been there...she should not have been behind the wheel of a minivan, nvermind an MD11.

right or wrong, just an undeniable fact.

Cant live with em, cant kill em.

 

[Rook]

It's Kanye (CON-Yay)not Kayne my brotha

Rook

 

[Gulfstream 200]

It's Kanye (CON-Yay)not Kayne my brotha

Rook

yeah, I was told by the original spelling cop. I gotta look into this CON-Yay thing...

 

[Cardinal]

I will say that I've never known a guy to quit aviation for family reasons. Yet I know of several women who have scrapped/put on hold perfectly viable careers to be with their children. I say good for them - kids need parents more than the world needs another pilot.

 

[Foxcow]

I've seen plenty. Hell I am one too

 

[PacoPollo]

There are lots of empty kitchens were I work.

 

[planejockey]

I have seen some out there, I am one as well!

 

[SCT]

"I say good for them - kids need parents more than the world needs another pilot.".....Cardinal

That quote is a classic!

 

[FN FAL]

Ive had a few black instructors while getting my ratings in the NE. The flight school had several black CFI's...

We had an African-American CFI at our 141 school back in the early 1990's. He was a pretty good guy and a good CFI.

Personally, I don't get the question the original poster posed. Black or white, male or female, either you can or you can't. And if you can't, you can make it happen if you have the ability to overcome those obstacles.

 

[cforst513]

i know our flight school has maybe 1,000 active renters and students, and MAYBE 5 are black. there is a pretty big number of hispanics. but i can tell you right now the black renters and students come from embry riddle. they're our feeder. w/out it, i dunno if we would have any black renters.

as for women, i tend to hear them a lot on the radio, so i assume they're out there

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Somebody once told me they heard a female pilot ask ATC for a shortcut to some fix and ATC said 'no'. After that, an anonymous voice got on the radio and commented "your whole career has been a shortcut".

 

[Foxcow]

Damn, thats cold...

 

[avbug]

I will say that I've never known a guy to quit aviation for family reasons.

You do now.

 

[aerodromebum]

Some female pilots I've met can fly circles around anyone, while others can't find water if they fell out of a boat. Just like the male pilots I've met.

Gender is a moot point. Some can cut it while some can't, regardless of their sex.

I do agree that some women and minority pilots get special treatment simply because the firm needs to fulfill certain quota out of fear that they'll be accused of discrimination. And thats a shame. Whatever happened to the concept of earning what you get?

For the record, I am a minority. And I oppose affirmative action. I like to be hired for a job because of my qualifications, not because someone feels the need for a token minority on their staff.

On the topic of attractive female crew members creating distraction, I'd say that's a good thing as long as you don't let it compromise the safety. Who wouldn't want to go on a trip with a knockout female pilot or F/A? Especially if they're sharp at their job. One redhead I used to fly with was not only gorgeous, but she knew her sh!t, could fly like a bat out of hell, and could drive a stick shift. Now that's the kind of crewmember you'd want to go on a trip with!

 

[9GClub]

Read in some credible source (forget where.... hahaa) that women tend to be better at flying fast movers, whereas men excel flying heavy stuff. Women can also tolerate G-forces and temperature extremes better than men can.

With respect to screwing up, women tend to mishandle the aircraft more frequently, while men-- ego thing-- tend to exercise poorer judgment (IMC, ice, etc.).

Exceptions to every rule, but apparently this stuff is supported empirically.

The source may be "The Killing Zone" by Paul Craig, but don't quote me on that.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

If God had given me a (brain instead of posting crap), I'd be with FedEx right now

 

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