WN Pilots sign petition for SWAPA to lower dues

[GuppyWN]

Neither. NJ was the IATA code for Vanguard Airlines.

My impression of Carl is one of a glass tower propagandizing leader perfectly willing to throw WN pilots under the bus when he finds it politically useful (see Jan McCall). His move to cut representation in a ham-handed effort to save money should have been seen by everyone to be just what it was - political gamesmanship. I don't trust the guy and my friends who are at WN don't either.

Well that about sums it up!

I can honestly think of ZERO times when Carl made a public stand for the representation of "his" pilots. He is paving his road to DC with our dues.

Gup

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Joesephina,

This is the Major's board. Shouldn't you be on the regionals board? Please do us all a favor and convince your peers to drop ALPA. Please form your own union because I am tired of my 1.95%(which btw is way more than any asa pilot) covering you leeches. Put your money where your mouth is and leave.

I would gladly switch my 1.95% for the 1%...What a deal...That's a lot of Nathan's hot dogs!

 

[scoreboardII]

Carl doesn't throw pilots under bus, not even deceased ones....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joesephina,

This is the Major's board. Shouldn't you be on the regionals board? Please do us all a favor and convince your peers to drop ALPA. Please form your own union because I am tired of my 1.95%(which btw is way more than any asa pilot) covering you leeches. Put your money where your mouth is and leave.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

We're not going to drop ALPA...We're just going to stay and raise he!!...I don't want to leave anymore...

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[ATRCAPT]

I see both sides. I don't particularly like paying dues, in fact I don't particularly like unions, but having worked for a non-union airline in the past I see them as a necessary evil. Personally, I think Carl sees our pilot group the way Al Gore sees climate change: he doesn't give a sh!t in the wind either way, but he's sure going to figure out how to profit from it. Having said that, Gary does seem to be a bit merger happy, and if that happens I don't want an underfunded union fighting for my seniority. Tough call.

 

[Mach 80]

>>Clearly we have too much $$$$ to spend when Carl could afford to hire a CPA (good idea) to take the treas position ....<<<

A $75,000/yr CPA is a lot cheaper and knows more about handling multi-millions of dollars than a $200,000 pilot holding the treas position. I'd much rather have a professional CPA running it than an airline pilot, plus it saves money -- maybe in more ways than one.

 

[JR Man]

How do we fund Harry Reid's re election if we cut our union dues!?

 

[JoeMerchant]

How do we fund Harry Reid's re election if we cut our union dues!?

Don't worry...ALPA will pick up the slack and fund his re-election....

 

[waveflyer]

why would you NOT want to fund harry reid's re-election? Because if you guys go nuts and don't get behind politicians who support unions and a middle class- we'll see another round of this career going to sh_t. It really is your choice.

 

[JR Man]

Democratic party has had congress for four years and the white house for one. How is the middle class and airline industry? Sh_t comes to mind.

 

[JoeMerchant]

why would you NOT want to fund harry reid's re-election? Because if you guys go nuts and don't get behind politicians who support unions and a middle class- we'll see another round of this career going to sh_t. It really is your choice.

Do Harry and Obama support business? If the economy and the airlines don't make money, all the pro-labor govt in the world won't make a difference....I don't understand how you left wingers expect to negotiate more money and better work rules from business's that are losing money...Very strange....

The career changed when Carter signed the Deregulation Act of 1978....That career is never coming back as the revenue will never support it.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

why would you NOT want to fund harry reid's re-election? Because if you guys go nuts and don't get behind politicians who support unions and a middle class- we'll see another round of this career going to sh_t. It really is your choice.

You see this is what happens when inbreeding takes place!
I'm sure you'd like to get behind the politicians like reid.
The good news is that you'd at least be giving it to him!:laugh:

 

[jhill]

Neither. NJ was the IATA code for Vanguard Airlines.

My impression of Carl is one of a glass tower propagandizing leader perfectly willing to throw WN pilots under the bus when he finds it politically useful (see Jan McCall). His move to cut representation in a ham-handed effort to save money should have been seen by everyone to be just what it was - political gamesmanship. I don't trust the guy and my friends who are at WN don't either.

First of all this shouldn't even be discussed on this forum. If you don't work here and I asume from this post you don't who gives a Damm what you think of Carl or anybody else for that matter. Nunyadambizness.

 

[airlinepilot]

>>Clearly we have too much $$$$ to spend when Carl could afford to hire a CPA (good idea) to take the treas position ....<<<

A $75,000/yr CPA is a lot cheaper and knows more about handling multi-millions of dollars than a $200,000 pilot holding the treas position. I'd much rather have a professional CPA running it than an airline pilot, plus it saves money -- maybe in more ways than one.

Guess you didn't notice my (good idea) concerning hiring a CPA....????? I just don't think we need 2 VP's

 

[njcapt]

First of all this shouldn't even be discussed on this forum. If you don't work here and I asume from this post you don't who gives a Damm what you think of Carl or anybody else for that matter. Nunyadambizness.

Let's review this.

You signed on to an open aviation forum to castigate someone who legitimately answered a question posed by one of your pilots as to what they thought of your BOD President. Not caring for the answer, you state that it shouldn't be discussed in the first place. I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but no one else is.

If you sincerely think this shouldn't be discussed on Flightinfo, report the post to a Mod and have it reviewed. Unfortunately for you court records are public, so if others want to gain a little perspective on the PHL deice incident, they could look here and see how SWAPA, led by Captain Kuwitzky, kicked a First Officer to the curb in an effort to get rid of someone management decided was a 'bad apple'.

Carl's meddling with the negotiating process leading up to TA2 is why you are saddled with an unexceptional contract and an implementation schedule that might be complete by the time you open Section 6 the next time around. Fortunately for the enlightened members of your association, the next election for President is just around the corner. I suggest that you and your fellow pilots take the election seriously and not let it become a rubber stamp for the next back-slapper in line.