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Interesting thread to say the least. A few points to ponder....

1) If God is your co-pilot, switch seats.

2) Be tolerant off all religions, you never know who's backing the right horse.

3) In this current environment, any new gimmick to fill seats will be embraced by management, (Maybe this new start-up will serve PF Chang's for inflight?):rolleyes:
 
Pt. 121 application

Thanks for all the comments in regard to my inquiry a/b hooking up w/ the right people to get advice pertaining to the commencement of appl. for a 121 cert. Proceedings this week have gone well. I am certain the many obstacles, barriers, and objections will be overcome, and to an even greater extent prove to be an invaluable edification of our resolve.
I would never want to give the impression that this endeavor was for the purpose of jamming religion down anyones throat. I would strive to have anyone whom we come in contact with to at least ponder the fact that this organization is operating under precepts that are biblical. If they thought we were followers of Christ, then ever other facet of our establishment would be secondary. For at least our actions were speaking louder than our words. I've been in the airline business for 22 yrs with 7 carriers, God knows I'm not a preacher or I'd have started a church by now!
May He continue to Bless you.
 
I would never want to give the impression that this endeavor was for the purpose of jamming religion down anyones throat.

Let me respectfully submit that I'd have to see that to believe it. Also, I see that everyone was much more mature than I and didn't respond to my previous smart-a$$ reply. For that I salute you. I was being an immature jerk.

And I'd also like to reiterate that I have a lot of respect for Turbo (and I don't give a rat's a$$ about his career choices) and for TimeBuilder. Both gentlemen have always been mature, respectful, and quite informative. My quarrel is with Christianity (and Islam and Judaism), and not with individuals. If my actions sometimes make it appear otherwise ... I sincerely apologize.

It's just that the title of this thread was bound to garner a response from myself and a couple others of like mind. And unfortunately, this kind of statement tends to bring out the worst in me.

Reverend Thich Minh Thong
 
Snakum,

I, for one, enjoyed your previous smart-a$$ reply.

You'll note that all it takes is a title like this one to bring out all the thumpers who think nothing of espousing their beliefs ad nauseam. There's no reason you should feel the need to apologize for poking fun at one of the many absurdities of life.

P.S. I'll assume your wishes have not yet come true, which I'll accept as further proof of the non-existence of You-Know-Who. :D
 
I know this is pretty futile and don't know why I bother, but here goes anyway . . .
I just wonder why all the enlightened pilot-god types (small g) here feel so justified in bashing Christians for no apparent cause, but would most likely (and rightly so) come to the vigorous defense of some black pilot being bashed for no good reason.
Maybe the original poster was yanking our chain and maybe not, but in any case in no way did he give me any indication that he was a "nut-case religious fanatic."
It seems all it takes to bring the cat calls is simply to mention Christianity at all. If you chose not to believe, then right on brother, it's your choice, but how about showing some respect for a fellow pilot and the decorum that would reflect on you as a professional.
 
Good post prodigal!

I never have figured out why every other so called group can blow their horn, but Chirstians... they should know their place. I am personally offended to read some of the statements/attacks that were posted. I spend 20 days a month sharing a cockpit with whomever I am scheduled to fly with. I can assure you that I have never scared anyone I flew with nor made them feel the least bit uncomfortable. Maybe I don't fit the stereotype, your stereotype.

I hope you will treat me respectufully and without prejudice if we ever meet or fly together, because that is exactly how I will treat you.
 
Okay now, we heard enough of Jesus and the Lord hanging out in a 747-400.

Now what about the little green men? I've heard they are everywhere, must be after PF chang chickens so watch it.

Buck
 
PF Changs

Yeah the food is great, but it is overpriced. However, their is a spin off chain restaurant (same owners) that serves almost the same exact food (lettuce wraps, honey shrimp, my favorites!) but for half the price. There are a couple of them in the Phoenix area, but unfortunately i left the country 6 months ago and cant for the life of me remember the name of the place. If i can recall the name, i will post it. mmmmmm, chinese food.
 
prodigal said:
I know this is pretty futile and don't know why I bother, but here goes anyway . . .
I just wonder why all the enlightened pilot-god types (small g) here feel so justified in bashing Christians for no apparent cause, but would most likely (and rightly so) come to the vigorous defense of some black pilot being bashed for no good reason.
Maybe the original poster was yanking our chain and maybe not, but in any case in no way did he give me any indication that he was a "nut-case religious fanatic."
It seems all it takes to bring the cat calls is simply to mention Christianity at all. If you chose not to believe, then right on brother, it's your choice, but how about showing some respect for a fellow pilot and the decorum that would reflect on you as a professional.

Prodigal, none of the "enlightened pilot-god types" (these are your eloquent words, sir) you talk about use screen names that religion-bash, start threads for that express reason, or end their posts with an auto-signature quote that religion-bashes.

However, the reverse IS true. Many believers that who post to this board wear their religion on their sleeves, on their avatars, on their screen names, in their posts and in their auto-signatures.

It doesn't bother me to read these things because all of you are free to say and believe what you do. But WE, sir, are also free to disagree and free to say so. I find your comments above to be particulary hypocritical.

Don't try to squelch me just because you don't like what I have to say. And show a little courtesy since the non-believers are rarely instigators to the threads that wind up like this (just like this one).
 
TXCap sums it nicely. Guys, I do respect your right to believe whatever you want. And I gave five years of my life protecting your right to speak about it. But a thread with a title like this one was BOUND to attract controversy.

Minh
 
I just wonder why all the enlightened pilot-god types (small g) here feel so justified in bashing Christians for no apparent cause, but would most likely (and rightly so) come to the vigorous defense of some black pilot being bashed for no good reason.

That's an interesting question. May I take a moment of your time to answer it?

The answer has to do with what modern America views as "civil rights", particularly in the mass media.

The mass media views Christianity as being the historical majority religion, and all others as being minority religions. Since the media is not uneducated, they know of the nature of the founding of this country, the beliefs of the individuals who accomplished this founding, and of the intent of the Constitution. They also see fit to present these things as differently as they like in order to accomplish their agenda: the realization of a fully secular American society, despite what they know to be true. In order to do this, they maximize coverage of the lunatic fringe, such as the branch davidians, a cult, in order to help distort the public view of Christianity. If a Chritian leader mentions in an interview that we are counciled to "not lay down with a man as if with a woman", there is always a gay activist at the ready to lambaste the bible as being narrowminded and oppressive, and its follwers as being "backward". No other religion is so roundly pillaged in the press, not even post 9-11 Islam.

Since most of us are regular users of the media, we Americans become hardened to Christianity, since it is seen as publically acceptable to both restrain and disdain the followers of Christ. If you go to a modern public school, you immediately learn as a young child that Christ and his teachings are forbidden in most schools, and as a child, you logically conclude that there must be something wrong with Christian belief. You may carry this idea for your entire life.

So while it is easy to identify the belittling of a black man as a violation of his civil rights, and it is never seen in our media as being socially acceptable to do so, our natural tendency is to come to his aid.

On the other hand, we never see a suport in the media (NY Times, CNN, big three networks) for Christianity, and in fact we see Christian views being denigrated widely. It is no surprise, in this environment, that the majority of secular America feels very comfortable in disrespecting both the rights and the persons who adhere to Christian belief.

If you were born in the sixties, seventies, or eighties, you have been trained to be anti-Christian your entire life. Those of us who were born in the fifties remember when this change occured, and we have seen the decadence that has followed.

A cultural note: I heard a blurb on Fox this morning that at least two of the Columbia astronauts attended church regularly, and that their pastors are leading services for them.

I hope this post clarifies the question you posed.
 
Well, it certainly explains YOUR view of the question he asked. It certainly would not reflect my opinion on the subject.

First of all, I would come to the defense of any person, pilot or otherwise, black or otherwise, in need of help. To target a specific race and thereby make race an issue with the question is offensive, at least to this NON christian.

Second, I would defend to the death your right to believe anything you wish, but remember it's a two way street and with your freedom comes my corresponding freedom to disagree with you.

Last, it's really NOT a particularly interesting question. There's no reason to assume non-believers are any less caring about others than whatever religious group you wish to name. I's just that we don't waste time worrying about the various mythologies, christianity included, nor are we concerned with racking up brownie points for the big pie in the sky. So, if someone bashes your charished opinion on creation, I for one, figure you're on your own defending your position. If you can't that's your problem. My only concern is, as stated before, that you continue to have the right to your opinion, however misguided I think it is.
 
My point is this: not everyone, in fact a very great number of Americans, are taught to NOT share your view. Everyone, however, is taught that racial hatred is wrong.

Few are taught that a hatred of Christainity is wrong.
 
Teaching of religion should be left to church and family. In the case of christianity, both certainly seem to do everything possible to foster their belief system, to the point of invading the privacy of others who don't agree.

Hating christianity is wrong? It's neither right nor wrong, it's just one person's opinion vs another's. If I choose to learn about Greek mythology or christian mythology or islamic mythology that's my business. If I read about a religion steeped in senseless cruelty I have every right to form an opinion about it, and it's probably going to be negative. It's understandable that if you're a part of that group you might be defensive but so what? You labor under the opinion that because christianity is the major religion of this country everyone should be forced to respect it or at the very least that it merits respect. That's just not the case. It's a viewpoint, and you're lucky to live where it's a popular one, but it's certainly not the ONLY viewpoint and it warrants no more attention or preference than any other viewpoint.

I certainly also disagree that people are taught to hate christianity. Seems to me christians are their own worst enemies. I live in the Midwest and it gets crammed down your throat constantly. I'd certainly say that christians get more than their fair share of air time. And, as TXCAP4228 pointed out, whenever one of these threads gets going it's because some thumper has once again made it an issue. You don't find many of "us" casting the first stone.
 

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