Will The AirTran Pilots' Windfall Be A Consideration?

[Ty Webb]

PW-

Your comment about buying me a domestic beer got me thinking . . . It was sort of like the stages of thinking about the SLI:

1) Free Beer! :beer:

2) Drink it with who? :erm:

3) Domestic?

4) Hope it's cold, or it's gonna taste like horse piss! uke:

5) Should probably be gracious and accept domestic beer

6) Lots of micro brews are domestic!

7) Fat Tire is domestic, and Alaskan Amber, and Shiner and . . .

8) Sure, PW, I'll drink a beer with ya! :beer:

So, in the end, SLI will be like a beer. Might be a domestic beer, but you can probably find one you like.

 

[Ty Webb]

What round will Ty be drafted in?

Welcome to the TrannyDraft 2011....

Tood McShay says "my guess, he is a late 6th rounder."

Mel Kiper Jr. (laughing) says he has some work to do before even "dreaming" about the next level.

Asked if he is good enough to play on the A team every Sunday, Kiper said he can "absolutely see him working on Saturday and Sunday, as long as he works on his attitude and Luv aspect of his game"

Kiper then added, that he sees "about 5800 better picks, before he would take a chance on Ty."

An NFL Owner recently said "I might make him (Ty) my 5801st pick and see what he has to offer in training camp or just assign him to the practice squad" "Its an unknown, does this kid have any sense of LUV for the game or has his Agent got to him already?"

"It is important to note that, in regards to SWA, Kiper does not have actual coaching or playing experience, and has been able to designate himself an expert simply by saying so, loudly, many times, without anyone questioning it.

His protege, SWA/FO seems to have been cut from the same piece of bad polyester fabric, cloned from the same wart cell, or spawned from the sack of the same whale". :laugh:

 

[Lear70]

I disagree.

Your bias on this issue is blindingly obvious. It is inappropriate for you to both participate in the debate and moderate it. I will not be intimidated into silence.

The other moderators and website owner, none of which work for either company or are people I know outside this forum, disagree with you, and those are the only people I answer to on this forum. You are welcome to your opinion. You are NOT, however, welcome to keep making digs about it.

There's no "intimidation", just instructing you to abide by the instructions and decisions of the website owner and moderators per the Terms of Service.

Nice spin. I am not "attacking" your moderating nor am I harassing you. I didn't even mention your name ...

You didn't have to. There are only 5 moderators on this site, 2 are inactive due to other issues, and you've repeatedly called me out about it in the past 60 days and haven't said anything about other moderators.

Everyone knew who you were talking about. Your attempts to side-step that are painfully transparent and, quite frankly, disingenuous. The fact that you have now returned to your previous discussions on my moderating points out that you WERE, in fact, speaking of me in your earlier post yesterday when you made an accusation out of the blue about "being in someone's pocket".

Disagreeing with you isn't harassment. On the other hand, squelching dissent over a clear conflict of interest is very heavy handed and pretty much proves my point.

I didn't squelch anything. The WEBSITE OWNER shut down that thread. The only thing I did was delete posts that were ToS violations, give warnings and/or suspensions for those violations, and offer to email the posters the portions of their posts that were NOT ToS violations so they could repost them without the offending material. I did that for BOTH AirTran and Southwest pilots alike.

Sorry you can't see that.

/mod

 

[PapaWoody]

PW-

Your comment about buying me a domestic beer got me thinking . . . It was sort of like the stages of thinking about the SLI:

1) Free Beer! :beer:

2) Drink it with who? :erm:

3) Domestic?

4) Hope it's cold, or it's gonna taste like horse piss! uke:

5) Should probably be gracious and accept domestic beer

6) Lots of micro brews are domestic!

7) Fat Tire is domestic, and Alaskan Amber, and Shiner and . . .

8) Sure, PW, I'll drink a beer with ya! :beer:

So, in the end, SLI will be like a beer. Might be a domestic beer, but you can probably find one you like.

There are some mighty fine domestic micro-brews on tap at the Monarch in PDX. An' onry 2 dolla! See ya there! :beer:

PW

 

[texman]

Alaskan Amber on tap in sea rocks.

 

[ivauir]

You are NOT, however, welcome to keep making digs about it.

I wasn't addressing you. I didn't mention you. Perhaps you are so sensitive because it is intuitively obvious that you cannot objectively moderate a discussion while passionately participating in it. Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

 

[waveflyer]

I wasn't addressing you. I didn't mention you. Perhaps you are so sensitive because it is intuitively obvious that you cannot objectively moderate a discussion while passionately participating in it. Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

Dude- let it go/ there are rules- they apply

 

[Lear70]

I wasn't addressing you. I didn't mention you. Perhaps you are so sensitive because it is intuitively obvious that you cannot objectively moderate a discussion while passionately participating in it. Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

There have been no other moderators involved in any of the SWA-AAI discussions, with the exception of one entry by Clr4TheApch yesterday.

Your continued attempts to defer to some other "mystery moderator" are transparent and speak volumes of their own.

As far as contributing to discussions, with the exception of the occasional comment here and there, I have pretty much stayed out of all of them the last several weeks and plan to continue doing so. Thank you for your concern...

Regards,

 

[The Prussian]

What round will Ty be drafted in?

Welcome to the TrannyDraft 2011....

Tood McShay says "my guess, he is a late 6th rounder."

Mel Kiper Jr. (laughing) says he has some work to do before even "dreaming" about the next level.

Asked if he is good enough to play on the A team every Sunday, Kiper said he can "absolutely see him working on Saturday and Sunday, as long as he works on his attitude and Luv aspect of his game"

Kiper then added, that he sees "about 5800 better picks, before he would take a chance on Ty."

An NFL Owner recently said "I might make him (Ty) my 5801st pick and see what he has to offer in training camp or just assign him to the practice squad" "Its an unknown, does this kid have any sense of LUV for the game or has his Agent got to him already?"

Here's my take...

Ty and KP....

"I gotta do something here, I still can't believe it. I gotta give you your dream shot! I'm gonna send you up <with> the best. You two characters are going to <Southwest>.
And if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog sh*t out of Hong Kong!"

 

[ivauir]

Lear,

I wasn't trying to call you out ... I was participating a completely different debate with one of your current coworkers. A debate that you have effectively derailed by intervening for no particular reason except maybe defending your pride ... again, your name was never mentioned. If you think it was implied one can only wonder:

"What it is you feel so guilty about?"

As long as an AAI pilot moderates SWA/AAI related threads there will be a perceived conflict of interest. You can deal with it up front and recuse yourself or you can leave lingering doubts.

Given your authority in this venue this is a pretty one sided debate, isn't it?

Your power as a moderator lets you silence criticism. That is where this is going. Isn't it? I can read between the lines. We all can.

But I won't be intimidated into doing it for you.

 

[Lear70]

I think I liked your first response better. At least it gave us a place to start from:

Lear,

Given your authority in this venue this is a pretty one sided debate, isn't it?

That's the problem bro. You seem like decent and intelligent person. Can you not see the problem with trying to to fairly moderate a debate while participating in it?

Actually, yes, I do see the problem. It's why I've backed off posting in most of these threads (not to mention I don't think the hostility gets us anywhere). I'll still chime in from time to time if it's something no one else is mentioning and I think it's important or it's something humorous or especially poignant that I'm giving kudos to someone about, but other than that, I'm trying to stay off these topics.

Lear,

I wasn't trying to call you out ... I was participating a completely different debate with one of your current coworkers. A debate that you have effectively derailed by intervening for no particular reason except maybe defending your pride ... again, your name was never mentioned. If you think it was implied one can only wonder:

I think you're forgetting your response that triggered my first post to you about it. When you allege out of the blue that Ty's comments stayed because he "has the moderator in his pocket"... well, I don't think anyone for a moment had any doubt who you were referring to. So don't try to put this on me.

As long as an AAI pilot moderates SWA/AAI related threads there will be a perceived conflict of interest. You can deal with it up front and recuse yourself or you can leave lingering doubts.

Granted, that's why I had a conversation in the Moderator's lounge with the other moderators and the website owner and why I've backed out of posting in most of these threads except for an occasional comment here and there (although that's not what they suggested; they had no problem with the way I was posting and moderating, it was MY decision to back off the posting).

Given your authority in this venue this is a pretty one sided debate, isn't it?

Not really, no. We're both still here, having this conversation, although I should have put a stop to it about 3 posts back. I'm bending over backwards NOT to start pruning your posts on this subject or putting you in the penalty box, even though that's what we've done to countless OTHER members who can't follow directions from the website owner and moderators.

Your power as a moderator lets you silence criticism. That is where this is going. Isn't it? I can read between the lines. We all can.

But I won't be intimidated into doing it for you.

No one's intimidating you into doing anything. I'm asking you to follow the policies set forth by the website owner and ALL the moderators in not going after the mods for the way we police the board.

Again, I'm sorry if you don't understand why. Hopefully one day we will all be able to look back on this and have a chuckle or two over a frosty beverage,,,

 

[waveflyer]

"Given your authority"
Oh good god- WTF do you think he's going to do? Stop your cathartic meaningless rant on an anonymous forum- if you didn't see it on the other thread:

"Blogging
Never before have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few."

Congrats Lear- you are now a man of great authoritay

 

[Lear70]

RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!

Oh,,, wait,,, that's my MEC Vice-Chair's line...

(couldn't resist man, I heard about your door name tag from F.E. at the LEC meeting Monday).

 

[SWA/FO]

TY, that fool "Kiper" didn't even go to college. He probably makes more then both of us, nice gig.

 

[roughneck]

(couldn't resist man, I heard about your door name tag from F.E. at the LEC meeting Monday).

I heard the LEC meeting was a bloodbath. I'm guessing Linden won't keep secrets from the LEC anymore.