Will The AirTran Pilots' Windfall Be A Consideration?

[S3sundowner]

Those numbers were put out at the announcement. Ty, as a pay protected FO you'll be ahead, and with the growth planned, you'll be a senior fo by the end of the decade. But, in the end, you'll be way ahead. Good luck.

 

[vixin]

I'm trying top keep it civil, Vixin', but you're an idiot. I'm done arguing with you. The next words you hear from me is going to be "The fat one's yours". :laugh:

Yep little mans syndrome. You sir are pathetic. Sad you maybe on our list one day. Guess the truth hurts.. AHHhhh! Before you said you wanted your QOL and didnt care about the money. You sir want your cake and eat it to. What a hypocrite! But what do I I I I get. You are not bright enough to see what you will get. Just another greedy Tranny posting on FI.

 

[S3sundowner]

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[S3sundowner]

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[PCL_128]

The flaming is really disappointing.

I've really enjoyed my time at SWA, but if the posts here are any indication that is over.

No reason to believe that, unless you are convinced that your own pilot group will be unwilling to accept an arbitrator's award and instead act like a bunch of USAirways East pilots. I am confident that the AirTran pilots will accept an arbitrator's decision and move on, even if it wasn't something that they felt was fair. Why? Because it's final and binding, and that's how it works. Can you say the same about your pilot group? If so, then you have nothing to worry about! Everything will be fine.

I think we can all agree SWA buying AAI had a huge hand it this TA?

Absolutely. Because of the merger announcement, we lost our leverage with the threat of a strike and had to settle for something far less than we would have gotten without the merger.

 

[roughneck]

I am confident that the AirTran pilots will accept an arbitrator's decision and move on, even if it wasn't something that they felt was fair.

This shouldn't ever make to an arbitrator. Both sides know what is fair and just but acknowledging the facts are sometimes more difficult . No need to discuss equitable as the AirTran pilots I am sure understand very well how equitable this deal is for them regardless where they fall on the list.

I hope cooler heads will prevail and we get a negotiated solution rather than an arbitrators decision. If the operations are ever truly combined I think a negotiated solution would make for an environment that is more likely to be casual and the SWA culture will remain. An arbitrators decision that you think is unfavorable would be harder to accept than a negotiated solution that your own peers felt was fair.

Of course this is just my opinion, but I hope we get a deal from our unions rather than a arbitrators decision. I don't think the AT guys will add much in the way to our culture if they get hammered by an arbitrator. Our guys will likely be kinder than an arbitrator would. Fire away but I'm not flaming. Just giving my opinion.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yep little mans syndrome. You sir are pathetic. Sad you maybe on our list one day. Guess the truth hurts.. AHHhhh! Before you said you wanted your QOL and didnt care about the money. You sir want your cake and eat it to. What a hypocrite! But what do I I I I get. You are not bright enough to see what you will get. Just another greedy Tranny posting on FI.

Yeah, that's right. You're civil, gracious and a credit to your airline. A real visible example of the "culture" we should be willing to compromise to be a part of.

Of all the braying jackasses on FO, you bray the loudest. Hee-Haw!

 

[vixin]

Good one little boy you hurt my feelings. Back at ya hypocrite. You are one the the least civil ones on here, especially if it doesnt go your way. Poor little boy was told to share and you throw temper tantrums.:bawling: Who called who an idiot. Thats the civility you have. Just because you have small mans disease. You are an embarassment to the trannies I am sure.

 

[ivauir]

I'm trying top keep it civil,

Wow.

Ty,

If you really want to keep it civil you shouldn't spend so much time posturing. You have been an extremist from the outset:
- You have proposed outlandish SLI's
- You refuse to to acknowledge the boon this acquisition will mean for your career.
- You act like you are an authority on M+A law and that AGM only favors your view.

When someone posts relevant and factual case law your response is to call people names. When the argument doesn't go your way you say "our teams have asked us not to discuss the SLI", but that never stops you from arguing your point.

If you want to be civil I suggest a different tack. I would certainly welcome such a change.

 

[ASADFW7]

FYI for the most part every airline pilot thinks they and their airline is the best.

 

[Tanker Clown]

FYI for the most part every airline pilot thinks they and their airline is the best.

But you guys are talking about Air Tran. They pay crap. Are basically a stepping stone airline...or a career for a guy who can't get hired at a real airline. If I had a couple of DUIs, then hell yes I'd tell someone that I wanted to stay at Air Tran....because where else could I go? Hell, they had to buy the Air Tran name to escape their past. I don't even have and app in there. If SWA isn't hiring, then I'll go with Delta or Skywest or someone like that.

 

[GuppyWN]

I love that Tanker Clown guy. I think I'll put him on my buddy list.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

Pot and kettle. You guys are no better and probably quite a bit worse. Get down off that soapbox before you fall and hurt yourselves.

 

[Kharma Police]

Wow.

Ty,

If you really want to keep it civil you shouldn't spend so much time posturing. You have been an extremist from the outset:
- You have proposed outlandish SLI's
- You refuse to to acknowledge the boon this acquisition will mean for your career.
- You act like you are an authority on M+A law and that AGM only favors your view.

When someone posts relevant and factual case law your response is to call people names. When the argument doesn't go your way you say "our teams have asked us not to discuss the SLI", but that never stops you from arguing your point.

If you want to be civil I suggest a different tack. I would certainly welcome such a change.

If you don't like what he has to say then don't respond or put him on your ignore list. There are several guys that I tune out on this board. Maybe try watching football or get a new game for the crash pad X-Box.

The reality is that you SWA guys would miss him if he was gone. You would be forced to go back to trading tit for tats with the Delta boys. Even Tanker Clown has gotten bored with trying to throw feces at Delta. The fact is, you need your bad guy to justify your point of view, it's just human nature. But as I pointed out in a previous post, it's all just mental masturbation that will not affect the final outcome.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'll always be senior to you Ty. With or without an arbitrator.

The sooner you simply have fun by throwing your darts instead of taking it all too personally, the sooner you'll chillax. I'm good chunkin' or catchin' - darts that is.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

What Kharma said.

Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

I'll always be senior to you Ty. With or without an arbitrator.

The sooner you simply have fun by throwing your darts instead of taking it all too personally, the sooner you'll chillax. I'm good chunkin' or catchin' - darts that is.

Gup

I'll be fine, as usual.

Ty's a karate man, and a karate man bleeds on the inside.

 

[27 driver]

But you guys are talking about Air Tran. They pay crap. Are basically a stepping stone airline...or a career for a guy who can't get hired at a real airline. If I had a couple of DUIs, then hell yes I'd tell someone that I wanted to stay at Air Tran....because where else could I go? Hell, they had to buy the Air Tran name to escape their past. I don't even have and app in there. If SWA isn't hiring, then I'll go with Delta or Skywest or someone like that.

Just to add a little perspective. AAI is 17 years old. When SWA was 17 years old it was a steeping stone as well with bottom of the industry pay. Comparing the 2 just doesn't make sense. But fling mud at will it is entertaining.

 

[DonVerita]

But you guys are talking about Air Tran. They pay crap. Are basically a stepping stone airline...or a career for a guy who can't get hired at a real airline. If I had a couple of DUIs, then hell yes I'd tell someone that I wanted to stay at Air Tran....because where else could I go? Hell, they had to buy the Air Tran name to escape their past. I don't even have and app in there. If SWA isn't hiring, then I'll go with Delta or Skywest or someone like that.

Tanker Clown will never leave his big fish in a little pond position at PFT Gulfstream International. You think Delta or AirTran would hire a jackwagon like you? Think again. Go pre-flight your BE-1900 and try not to step in the oil pooling under each engine.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Just to add a little perspective. AAI is 17 years old. When SWA was 17 years old it was a steeping stone as well with bottom of the industry pay. Comparing the 2 just doesn't make sense. But fling mud at will it is entertaining.

You are right, you can't compare the two. You really can't compare the two. Continental and United is a merger of two equals. SWA + AT isn't that case. It's basically the airline everyone wants to be at + an airline who has adult jets but pays and treats its pilots like a regional jet outfit that people don't want to be at (or are trapped there due to poor resumes/skeletons). I think every SWA guy would tell you...and every Air Tran guy would privately admit, that this isn't a merger of equals.

I'm sure the arbitrator will see it this way and know that AT just won the lottery. I'm curious if he'll make you guys interview for a job. Seems only fair since a lot of guys there want to be at SWA, and have probably interviewed and been turned down. I just hope I get in before this whole thing goes down.