Will The AirTran Pilots' Windfall Be A Consideration?

[vixin]

Sorry, not negotiating in public, but anyone that knows me knows I don't give a rat's ass about another $50K a year, certainly not enough to give up my seat, easy commute, and ability to fly the trips I like and want. You can keep it.

What if you got the above and became an FO? Same pay or a little better keep your current QOL, but are now an FO. Or is it your ego that needs stroking.

 

[Ty Webb]

Cruncher, let me guess . . . SWA was your first and only airline, and you don't know much about the RLA or the NMB. :laugh:

 

[Tanker Clown]

Sorry, not negotiating in public, but anyone that knows me knows I don't give a rat's ass about another $50K a year, certainly not enough to give up my seat, easy commute, and ability to fly the trips I like and want. You can keep it.

In the end, it won't be up to any of you guys anyway.

Just an outsider's perspective....but your case is weak and full of holes. When a guy says it's not about the money, then it's all about the money. I just look at it this way, there's a load of guys in ATL with apps in at Southwest who prior to late Sept were begging to be stapled with no pay protection at Southwest. I'm pretty sure that not a single guy at Southwest wanted to work at Air Tran. I know that Air Tran was a fall back plan for me. And then I would join the crowd and leave for a brighter future (like most at Air Tran).

I do have a feeling that an Air Tran FO who's about get a $50k raise won't say "You can keep it."

 

[Ty Webb]

What if you got the above and became an FO? Same pay or a little better keep your current QOL, but are now an FO. Or is it your ego that needs stroking.

And the gain to me would be what . . . watching you enjoy your windfall? :laugh:

 

[Kharma Police]

In the end, it won't be up to any of you guys anyway.

Just an outsider's perspective....but your case is weak and full of holes. When a guy says it's not about the money, then it's all about the money. I just look at it this way, there's a load of guys in ATL with apps in at Southwest who prior to late Sept were begging to be stapled with no pay protection at Southwest. I'm pretty sure that not a single guy at Southwest wanted to work at Air Tran. I know that Air Tran was a fall back plan for me. And then I would join the crowd and leave for a brighter future (like most at Air Tran).

I do have a feeling that an Air Tran FO who's about get a $50k raise won't say "You can keep it."

Well, if you are indeed who you say you are (which I doubt), take comfort in the fact that even if the AirTran pilots get stapled, you will still be at the bottom, below us, on the combined list.

 

[Ty Webb]

When a guy says it's not about the money, then it's all about the money.

OK, buddy, whatever you say. :laugh:

I do have a feeling that an Air Tran FO who's about get a $50k raise won't say "You can keep it."

I ain't an AirTran FO.

 

[Tanker Clown]

Well, if you are indeed who you say you are (which I doubt), take comfort in the fact the even if the AirTran pilots get stapled, you will still be at the bottom, below us, on the combined list.

Not if can get in before the agreement is negotiated between the two groups.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I ain't an AirTran FO.

But you make less than a SWA FO so what's the difference? Looks like the Air Tran FO's just hit the jackpot. A Capt will also probably make more with a better company with many more benefits...and now you don't have to be ashamed of who you work for.

 

[Kharma Police]

Not if can get in before the agreement is negotiated between the two groups.

Unless you are Superman and can go back in time I'd say you are SOL. On the bright side, I hear OAK is FANTASTIC!

Oak Town up!!!!, WEST SIDEEEEE!!!!!!!!

 

[vixin]

And the gain to me would be what . . . watching you enjoy your windfall? :laugh:

Thats what I thought. Poor baby needs an ego boost. AAHHHHH No windfall for me just a simple question. A pay raise albeit probably small. But the multitude of other things swa provides that that airtran doesnt. Those have been hashed out enough here.

Would you rather keep your current QOL and be an FO or be a bottom CA with an $50,000-80,000 raise? Just seeing if your pathetic enough to just care about a stripe. I think you already answered that previously.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, what you don't seem to get is that for every young AT pilot inserted above a SWA FO, that will certainly delay upgrade.

Sure, but we also had 50 deliveries coming, to be shared among only 800 FO's. You guys had 70 replacement aircraft coming, and 3000 FO's hoping for upgrade.

Upon further investigation, your group's youth can be directly attributed to years of hiring less experienced pilots. I'm not saying AT doesn't have experienced pilots, but there are plenty of cases of pilots with little to no PIC turbine.

The last person hired without turbine PIC that I am aware of was a 11/01 hire. There was a requirement for 121 or Milspec turbine time after that. We had plenty of guys to choose from, from Midway, Emery, TWA/AMR, UAL USAir, plus regional Captains and Military. Later, we got quite a few DAL guys. Even the CEO's daughter was a 121 PIC CA. ot saying there weren't some exceptions, but I can't point to any,

There are plenty among your ranks whose only PIC turbine is from Gulfstream (not a real job!).

I don't like Gulfstream, either, but you guys have hired 'em too.

 

[Ty Webb]

Thats what I thought. Poor baby needs an ego boost. AAHHHHH No windfall for me just a simple question. .. . . . Just seeing if your pathetic enough to just care about a stripe. I think you already answered that previously.

I'm trying top keep it civil, Vixin', but you're an idiot. I'm done arguing with you. The next words you hear from me is going to be "The fat one's yours". :laugh:

 

[ASADFW7]

Two things that matter to everyone, is how many Captain positions there are on the combined list and how many First Officer positions. Secondary to that is who fills those positions and where on the list.

There was a briefing last week in Dallas from Gary Kelly. SWA is very bullish, most SLI details will matter less as each pilot list will gain more together than separate. All this my dick is bigger is yours matters less as SWA is that hot chick that we will both be sleeping with more often with more benefits that each group presently is without this deal.

Sorry guys life will be better together regardless of the SLI median discussions. Those benefits will trump all these discussions.

 

[27 driver]

Two things that matter to everyone, is how many Captain positions there are on the combined list and how many First Officer positions. Secondary to that is who fills those positions and where on the list.

There was a briefing last week in Dallas from Gary Kelly. SWA is very bullish, most SLI details will matter less as each pilot list will gain more together than separate. All this my dick is bigger is yours matters less as SWA is that hot chick that we will both be sleeping with more often with more benefits that each group presently is without this deal.

Sorry guys life will be better together regardless of the SLI median discussions. Those benefits will trump all these discussions.

Dude, that was a reasonable post. There is no room for that on FI!
:beer:

 

[Max Powers]

Angus, just to be clear, aai's financial situation is far from healthy. $2billion in debt, $400 mil in the bank, $250m charged in bag and changed reservation fees in 2009. Without those fees, they would have lost $200m in 2009 with an industry trailing contract for the pilots. An oil spike and they'd be closing the doors. Bottom line: the aai pilots' career expectation just went through the roof, even with a full staple and pay protect.

You obviously do no know how to read a 10K.....Those numbers are fiction.