Will The AirTran Pilots' Windfall Be A Consideration?

[S3sundowner]

Wow KP, that's quite an accusation to throw out. I think you speak plenty for yourself, so I should refrain from helping you along.

 

[Dash Power]

Before you pack up your toys and go home, I asked a question regarding the fact if you would be hired today given your background in the early 90s. You profess to be an expert on the Southwest interview criteria. I guess your silence means, "no"?

Obviously the answer is yes. Why not? Why do you know that I do not? The real question is could YOU get the job at Southwest today instead of backing into it because SWA wants routes, airplanes and gates. At least I can always say that at least at some point I got the job because SWA wanted....me.

 

[Kharma Police]

Wow KP, that's quite an accusation to throw out. I think you speak plenty for yourself, so I should refrain from helping you along.

Wow, you didn't know who Auburn Calloway was either. I need to get a suggested reading list together for you guys...........

 

[vixin]

I knew of the incident. But, I have other things to do then remeber the name of some loser that does that. Not exactly history. Just news.

I think thats worse then the jumpseat wars. To accuse someone of that is wrong. Even if joking. To lump all S-3 Navy guys in that, is disrespectful to say the least. I have a pretty good sense of humor, but come on.

 

[Kharma Police]

Obviously the answer is yes. Why not? Why do you know that I do not? The real question is could YOU get the job at Southwest today instead of backing into it because SWA wants routes, airplanes and gates. At least I can always say that at least at some point I got the job because SWA wanted....me.

If I wanted to get a job at Southwest I would,

1. Apply for the job

2. Buy a 737 type

3. Buy a Hawaiian shirt

4. Go to Borders and buy a book of Knock Knock Jokes so I could be funny during the interview.

I'm glad Southwest hired you in the early 90s. Congratulations!, now repeat after me, "I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!"

 

[Kharma Police]

I knew of the incident. But, I have other things to do then remeber the name of some loser that does that. Not exactly history. Just news.

I think thats worse then the jumpseat wars. To accuse someone of that is wrong. Even if joking. To lump all S-3 Navy guys in that, is disrespectful to say the least. I have a pretty good sense of humor, but come on.

I know that this board is not about offending people. But for those African American former S-3 drivers who worked for Flying Tigers/FedEx who are not crazy psychos, please accept my humble apologies.

 

[vixin]

Well that narrowed it down a little.

 

[SWAdude]

If I wanted to get a job at Southwest I would,

1. Apply for the job

2. Buy a 737 type

3. Buy a Hawaiian shirt

4. Go to Borders and buy a book of Knock Knock Jokes so I could be funny during the interview.

I'm glad Southwest hired you in the early 90s. Congratulations!, now repeat after me, "I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!"

Give it up Dash. This guy is not worth the time.

 

[Kharma Police]

Give it up Dash. This guy is not worth the time.

You're right, you might lose your temper!

 

[kwick]

I'm sure that nobody will lose their
Relative seniority or their
captain seats if it goes to
Arbitration.

There will be no "Seat Grab"
Windfall for sw pilots.

 

[Max Powers]

I'm sure that nobody will lose their
Relative seniority or their
captain seats if it goes to
Arbitration.

There will be no "Seat Grab"
Windfall for sw pilots.

Agreed these fear mongering Fox news watching, SWA types on here like s3 and others are wishing for a windfall from airtran and a cpt seat grab....not going to happen.

Like it or not it's going to be Relative seniority.

 

[Cometman]

Agreed these fear mongering Fox news watching, SWA types on here like s3 and others are wishing for a windfall from airtran and a cpt seat grab....not going to happen.

Like it or not it's going to be Relative seniority.

Keep dreaming young man. Just like a staple will most likely not happen neither will relative seniority. Unless it is in Atlanta with a 6 foot fence with no growth for about 5-8 years.

 

[ASADFW7]

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[chase]

Folks,

Can we all agree that no one knows how it will fall out completely. Expressing our views on the topic is like rendering an opinion on which of your neighbor's children is the ugliest. While they may agree with you ability to judge beauty with your choice, they surely aren't going to agree with you publicly and will most likely voice their opinions strongly. After all it is family.

At the point SWA and AAI combine officially and seniority lists are combined we will be one airline. That day is closer today than it was on Sept 27 and as we get closer to that day, comments said to others (not just on the forums) that are culture killers can take hold and aren't so easily dismissed.

Express your views suggestions, recommendations to your NC folks and use other energies toward looking beyond the merger date and how SWA can fulfill the synergies necessary to meet our expectations of future growth as a result of the merger.

Focus on the future of post-SLI/merger dates and take the angst out of predicting the near future vs. postulating on the long term which will have far more impact on each of our financial health.

Or not......

Just watched my grand-child's first birthday party over skype and the perspective is one worth sharing....far more important things in life than an SLI debate IMHO.

 

[Ty Webb]

Agreed.

 

[waveflyer]

Well said chase

 

[Malcolm]

You are a voice of reason my friend! Good post...

 

[Full of LUV]

Just watched my grand-child's first birthday party over skype and the perspective is one worth sharing....far more important things in life than an SLI debate IMHO.

First of all Congrats! Second of all, with all due respect, as an 11yr SWA Captain, not worrying about how this SLI turns out is a luxury that many don't have..... Just like the birth of your granddaughter has given you a different PERSPECTIVE on life, so too does your seniority give you a different PERSPECTIVE on the SLI outcome.
LUV

 

[shootr]

+1

shootr

 

[chase]

First of all Congrats! Second of all, with all due respect, as an 11yr SWA Captain, not worrying about how this SLI turns out is a luxury that many don't have..... Just like the birth of your granddaughter has given you a different PERSPECTIVE on life, so too does your seniority give you a different PERSPECTIVE on the SLI outcome.
LUV

FOL,

Thanks for the congrats. My apologies if I gave the impression that any pilot at AAI or SWA should not be engaged or have an opinion on the topic or that as a CA I'm not engaged or interested. I most certainly do care and have expressed those thoughts to the appropriate persons. Doing it as emotionally and forcefully on public forums is opposite of what has been asked of both pilot groups. Resectful debate and inquiry, yes; laying down ultimatums or absolutes is not in either groups best interest IMHO...no offense taken I hope.

When I arrived at SWA in '99, those before me built an incredible airline and in turn provided me with a very secure standard of living. Those earlier groups made many controversial decisions, Morris Air, "B" scale votes, optioins in lieu of pay in '94, etc. Many opposed these and many other decisions (and still do). Yet judged from a historical perspective, I believe SWA and SWAPA made the right call.

My hope and is that when I retire I can look back and say that I've done no less for those coming behind me. The SLI and the attitudes associated with the merger will be a significant part of that cumulative culture and can only be accurately judged post-merger. Drawing lines in the sand in a pre-SLI environment could be counterproductive to the post-SLI environment when our culture will be most tested in the eyes of some.

Persons at the top of the seniority list have no more or no less ability to alter the SLI than those at the bottom. It could be argued that the long term culture of SWA lies more in the hands of the lower half of the seniority than the top half in terms of how the culture evolves since they will be at SWA longer. That doesn't negate the influence of the left seat in setting a tone that is positive for all groups and sensitive to the different realities faced by those in the right seat. Merely because one hasn't lived the life doesn't mean one can not empathize or respect the impact those changes can and are having.

For the first time ever FO's make up the majority of the NC and M&A team. I believe that is great, their talent is obvious. Their future is in their hands and in how the SLI is communicated and responded to by the members.

I want my grandson to fly on SWA or even come to work at SWA in the future for the same reasons I came to SWA. I'm as concerned and interested as I was when I arrived and will remain so because I want the company and its employees to prosper.

It can if all employee groups remain focused on the mission of safety, customer service, productivity while SWA leadership deals with the internal issues and makes sound business decisions that benefits all employees.

My apologies for the drivel...retreating backwards toward more lurking vs. posting....hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and happy holiday. Keeping Christ in Christmas (hopefully) will do more than Democrats or Republicans ever will! God Bless.