Will The AirTran Pilots' Windfall Be A Consideration?

[Ty Webb]

Well that will change even IF DOH is awarded. Seniority is seniority.

You, sir, are likely to be among the most disappointed.

 

[PapaWoody]

PW, . . . "Fair and Equitable" means something different to you than me. Money is not as important to me as it is to you. You think your present pay rates should buy my seniority. I don't.

Let's just agree to disagree and let the MEC's decide it.

I'm not trying to buy your seniority with our contract, I'm just pointing out that it would be unfair for your "seniority" to disregard my longevity.

Agreed on the agree to disagree, and that F&E will mean different things to different people. (Probably why they didn't define it as relative seniority )

PW

 

[ivauir]

Yup. The same place I was in before the announcement. As the law is designed to provide.

I don't try to ... tell you what you should expect from the merger or SLI

Ty,

Please reconcile your statements. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth and it is hardly constructive.

It is clear that you take every opportunity to post comments like the first one in some bizarre attempt to affect opinion on a message board. Let's talk facts and leave the posturing behind:

The law provides for "Fair and Equitable", specific solutions are NOT defined. In fact there are examples where-in relative seniority and even seat positions were lost. I would not go as far as to compare our situation to those cases, because, unlike you I wish to honor the M+A request not to discuss the SLI. Nothing good will come from such a discussion.

 

[Kharma Police]

Thanks you helped me prove a point with Ty. With another well thought mature post from a tranny.

I actually saw the Dec. paystub of the CA over $400,000. He works his butt off. Thats not for me.

It was tongue in cheek. Seriously, do you guys sit around and compare each others paychecks all the time? I've seen it almost on every occasion when I'm around you guys even before September 27th. Is it a nouveau riche thing? I was raised to not talk about money around mixed company but I guess it beats talking about religion or politics...........

 

[Ty Webb]

In fact there are examples where-in relative seniority and even seat positions were lost.

Between two profitable, growing companies with similar fleet types? Pray, do tell.

 

[Ty Webb]

Is it a nouveau riche thing? I was raised to not talk about money around mixed company

Uh-huh . . . :laugh:

 

[General Lee]

Between two profitable, growing companies with similar fleet types? Pray, do tell.

Ty,

These SWA guys just can't see it. Regardless of what you type, they won't believe it. Your two companies are both similar, with similar plane types and game plans. (LCCs) SWA is larger and pays more, but that was the same with DL and NWA, and guess what? It was pretty much relative seniority. Throw in some fences, and I have a feeling you will stay Captain. And, arbitrators will eventually figure out the SLI, regardless of what Chase or others say about trying to do it inhouse. Letting a "neutral" do it is the only fair way, and your lawyers will do the fighting for you. Just remember to tell the SWA guys "hey, it was just business. No hard feelings." I still expect the top 300-400 spots to go all SWA, and then relative after that.

Regardless, EVERY SWA AND AT PILOT IS AWESOME. Keep rocking it!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ivauir]

Between two profitable, growing companies with similar fleet types? Pray, do tell.

Ty,

Is this really a constructive exercise?

Do you really want to compare profitability? Would you like to argue about the "similarity" of the fleets? Comparing your mostly 717 fleet to our fleet might not be a path that favors your case friend. But it is especially apropos with the 800 coming. What about the the relative health of our companies?

We could site SLI awards and debate their comparison to our corporations. The truth is that this case is different than any before, but your argument morphs from one set of criteria (no one has ever lost their seat) to another (no one like ME has ever lost their seat).

I believe we should respect the process instead of waving around proposals that others may find offensive. I have never offered what I think a fair solution would be, and I bristle every time anyone does. But you take it so far as to posture your opinion as fact and you mock all who offer a different perspective. It is getting old.

Interesting that you ignored the meat of my post. Nice dodge.

Please reconcile your statements.

 

[Cometman]

Between two profitable, growing companies with similar fleet types? Pray, do tell.

That might be correct but you have to consider the size. AAI is a small regional airline and SWA is a large major airline. You only have 100+ aircraft and SWA has what 550+ aircraft. You have 1700 pilots and SWA has close to what 6000. What a difference. Why didn't you mention these things. Oh I know, it doesn't matter. Just the things you thing will matter.

 

[vixin]

Sorry KP I didnt get the tongue in cheek. Just countering your brotha TY.

 

[Ty Webb]

That might be correct but you have to consider the size. AAI is a small regional airline and SWA is a large major airline. You only have 100+ aircraft and SWA has what 550+ aircraft. You have 1700 pilots and SWA has close to what 6000. What a difference. Why didn't you mention these things. Oh I know, it doesn't matter. Just the things you thing will matter.

Too funny, and entirely typical of the arguments I see on here.

AAI has been a major airline, as defined by the DOT, for years. We serve the same number of cities as SWA, btw. And our 717 are about the same as your -500's in an all-coach config.

Funny, I see all the Delta guys on here calling you guys a regional, too, since you have only SNB aircraft that only fly domestic. How does that feel? :laugh:

Since when did a fleet of 138 aircraft and 50 orders become "100 aircraft"? Are you that uninformed, or did you just lop off a third of our fleet because your point was weak? Also, did I mention that our orders are for fleet growth, while GK says that yourse are for replacement aircraft?

Blah, blah, blah, I can keep this crap going as long as you can. :laugh:

 

[Cometman]

Too funny, and entirely typical of the arguments I see on here.

AAI has been a major airline, as defined by the DOT, for years. We serve the same number of cities as SWA, btw. And our 717 are about the same as your -500's in an all-coach config.

Funny, I see all the Delta guys on here calling you guys a regional, too, since you have only SNB aircraft that only fly domestic. How does that feel? :laugh:

Since when did a fleet of 138 aircraft and 50 orders become "100 aircraft"? Are you that uninformed, or did you just lop off a third of our fleet because your point was weak? Also, did I mention that our orders are for fleet growth, while GK says that yourse are for replacement aircraft?

Blah, blah, blah, I can keep this crap going as long as you can. :laugh:

I am sorry. I did not know all that. You have to remember, you are an airline pilot with 10 years as a captain. I want to be an airline pilot but I still have 2 years left before I graduate from high school. Sorry if I offended you. It is great to be able to chat with people in your position. You are probably one of the most educated ones on this site. I hope to be like you when I get older.

 

[cole]

I say fence the Airtran guys, they can keep their seats and more importantly their contract. If they want to come over to SWA's contract they are welcome to, right at the bottom but also pay protected, if they were captains, even though I bet most of SWA's gear slingers make more than Airtran captains. That way the guys at Airtran who have hardons to keep their captain seat at their pay they are welcome to it.

 

[Tanker Clown]

I say fence the Airtran guys, they can keep their seats and more importantly their contract. If they want to come over to SWA's contract they are welcome to, right at the bottom but also pay protected, if they were captains, even though I bet most of SWA's gear slingers make more than Airtran captains. That way the guys at Airtran who have hardons to keep their captain seat at their pay they are welcome to it.

Cole, Ty says it's not about the money. It's about quality of life. He's also pretty proud of his new contract. So, he should support this will bells and whistles on.

What say you Ty?

 

[Kharma Police]

Actually SWA could put a fence around atl and airtran. Put in the Sli that all growth will be on SWA side. Nothing says SWA pilots couldn't open an atl base. It's all in the wording

You're about two months too late, someone else can bring you up to speed. Thanks for coming to the party, better late than never!