will net jets change bases policy?

[CA1900]

To quallify for moving expense as a new hire is if you are awarded a Home Base Airport designation. Then only if you move from your HBA to a domicile. Then you lose all rights to Home Base Airport in the future. At this time all new hires are Domicile based.

Hmmmmm.... I thought it sounded too good to be true. And I was so excited about not using U-haul for once in my life!

 

[netjetwife]

I'm disappointed for you, CA1900. It sounds great, initially. But the more you read, the worse it gets. The company gets to proffer a deal that makes them look good, all the while knowing very few will take them up on their offer. Another PR mistake. Things like that just hurt morale. If they aren't sincere, they shouldn't bother.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Things like that just hurt morale. If they aren't sincere, they shouldn't bother.

It has nothing to do with sincerity. It's in the contract that we voted in. As long as everyone reads the contract (current pilots AND prospective new-hires), there will be no surprises.

Not everything in the new contract was a win for us (you can't expect it to be, either), but the good outweighs the bad.

Am I a fan of new-hires being stuck in domiciles til who-knows-when? No. But it's no secret, so they shouldn't be surprised when that's exactly what happens. Same with moving expenses. They should take the time to read our contract and understand what they're in for, before accepting a job offer. Due diligence and all that.

What's truly going to bite the company in the ass is the lack of the training contract. People will come here not understanding the contract, get a type, find out that commuting won't work, and bail.

 

[netjetwife]

I understand everything you're saying, UG, and realize the fine print spells things out. I did caution pilots to read closely, did I not? My point is that the inclusion of something that is all show and no substance serves no purpose and potentially erodes the opportunity to build good will that a real offer could have made. When a benefit comes with so many strings attached that few people will be interested in it, you have to question the motivation behind it, and the attitude that generated the motive. Their unacceptable offer to pay moving expenses only highlights their true opinion of the pilot force. That being the case, they did more harm than good. With the new CBA was supposed to come a new labor-management relationship. That didn't help.

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

I would send Netjets a resume tomorrow if they would allow new hire homebasing, there is no way in God's earth I would accept an LAX domicile, even with the new contract-it doesn't pay enough with SoCal's exhorbitant cost of living.

After living 14 years in LA I gave California the big goodbye because of cost of living factors, I'll just bide my time or consider other opportunities.

 

[netjetwife]

TDB, you're a living example of the problem I (and others) have been pointing out. Your valid complaint is the very reason the domicile debacle needs to fail. The NJ pilots had so much lost ground to make up for in their new CBA that it just wasn't possible to accomplish all that needed to be done at this time. The continued low FO pay and their domicile experiment are the outstanding problems that , alas, were not completely correctable. Those areas saw some progress but clearly more needs to be done. The Local is keeping a close eye on the situation and will try to salvage something from the mess if circumstances force the company to reconsider. Stay tuned. I'm sorry for you and your family that things are this way.

Best Wishes,
Netjetwife

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

TDB, you're a living example of the problem I (and others) have been pointing out. Your valid complaint is the very reason the domicile debacle needs to fail. The NJ pilots had so much lost ground to make up for in their new CBA that it just wasn't possible to accomplish all that needed to be done at this time. The continued low FO pay and their domicile experiment are the outstanding problems that , alas, were not completely correctable. Those areas saw some progress but clearly more needs to be done. The Local is keeping a close eye on the situation and will try to salvage something from the mess if circumstances force the company to reconsider. Stay tuned. I'm sorry for you and your family that things are this way.

Best Wishes,
Netjetwife

Thanks for your concern, with home basing I can afford the move to Netjets with the current contract, LAX on $39000/yr? I don't think so. So I'll wait and watch to see if policy changes.

 

[Lear70]

Don't look for the domicile basing system to "fail" anytime soon.

Talked to my buddy who recently hired on there, he asked how many applications they were getting from "qualified" pilots, and he was told "more than we could ever work through to interview".

I know of 2 or 3 people who have put in resumes, got the email response back, but never received an application yet I did, and we have almost identical backgrounds and experience.

They seem to have all they can handle right now just getting through the resumes. Remember, there's over 10,000 furloughed pilots out there right now looking for jobs, not to mention the thousands at regionals who are drooling over the new pay rates at Netjets.

Unfortunately, I don't see the "shortage" coming anytime soon, which is a shame. If you guys had home basing I'd have jumped all over it.

 

[LostComm]

Don't look for the domicile basing system to "fail" anytime soon.

Spot on I think (the above statement). There are enough people wanting/needing a job that there will be no shortages any time soon. And that's not even considering another round of furloughs, for whatever reason that may happen.

The only way domiciles will change to HBA for post CBA folks will be on the next (or subsequent) contract , and that's years away.

NJA has got something in mind with the domiciles, a "master plan" if you will. Make all the jokes you like (I'm sure I would agree), but the facts are the facts. It's the law of the land and the law is not likely to change until the pilots make it an issue and vote it so. Whether there is going to be enough solidarity for "HBA for all" vs. what may be more burning issues at the time is to be seen. Only time will tell.

Come here expecting a domicile for your career, and perhaps you may be pleasently surprised. But don't plan your life around it.

 

[Fozzy]

I would send Netjets a resume tomorrow if they would allow new hire homebasing, there is no way in God's earth I would accept an LAX domicile, even with the new contract-it doesn't pay enough with SoCal's exhorbitant cost of living.

You don't have to worry about LA. From what I am hearing LAX is not offered anymore. CLOSED. Only PBI and CMH. Kind of fun watching them dig and dig and dig their hole. I wonder when they will open their eyes. Then things will get interesting.

 

[d91papa]

When I first did the internet app., NJA didn't have domiciles. However, by the time I got to the interview, the contract had been ratified. I'll make the 6 1/2 hour drive for now. Should be doable with 7/7. I hate to have to leave after NJA spent so much $ on my training.

 

[p3hawk]

closing LAX eh

Well if there thinking about closing LAX, Im gonna haf'ta tell bubba Jeb Bush to open up a whole new Disney World jus for the new inflex of pilots!!

 

[xpdriver]

If you come to nja. Be ready to live in one of the 5, FOREVER. Was said in recurrent(RTS) that there may be 7 one day,but that is all.

And to set the record straight,they are offering all the 5 still. They offer certain ones for certain interviews. People that indicate which one they want are getting those interview dates..

We know it suxs but we told them(MGMT) that it would not work. So why should we give up something(MONEY<INSURANCE,401K.) for something that is going to fail.

Sorry GUYS/GALS it is what it is.

 

[d91papa]

If you come to nja. Be ready to live in one of the 5, FOREVER. Was said in recurrent(RTS) that there may be 7 one day,but that is all.

And to set the record straight,they are offering all the 5 still. They offer certain ones for certain interviews. People that indicate which one they want are getting those interview dates..

We know it suxs but we told them(MGMT) that it would not work. So why should we give up something(MONEY<INSURANCE,401K.) for something that is going to fail.

Sorry GUYS/GALS it is what it is.

I'm confused (as usual). If you say this policy will not work, and we won't negotiate for a policy doomed to fail, then why do you say be prepared to be with this domicile system forever? Are you saying that NJA will continue the above regardless of the fiscal/financial consequences? Apparently NJA had determined that it will work and NJA will profit from a domicile based system, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

 

[netjetwife]

D91, you read my mind! That was rather an inconsistency, wasn't it?
I think it's more apt to say that this is a "wait and see" situation. If they're going to play flavor of the month with domiciles, I'd advise those interested in a particular choice to call up and ask which month it will be offered. Do they even know that? So RTS put a positive spin on the Domicile Debacle in front of the pilots. That was to be expected; I'm sure they did the same with their failed experiments from the past, as well. None of us know Santulli's devotion to the brain-child left behind by Boisture. Word is that Santulli isn't too impressed by everything that BB did. Yes they are hiring pilots, but qualified applicants have also posted here telling us the domicile debacle is the reason they're not going to NJ. Did y'all read that bit (one sentence with huge impact potential) in the contract that says seniority rights govern domicile assignments? There better be a method in their madness that takes that into consideration or things could get very sticky. This is definitely one to watch. NJW

 

[NJA Capt]

Apparently NJA had determined that it will work and NJA will profit from a domicile based system, otherwise it wouldn't exist.

If they are so confident about the domicile system, why haven't they implemented it for NJI? They told us the 7/7 sched would never work. Low and behold they open a 7/7 sched for NJI. They tell us that HBAs cost an arm and a leg, yet NJI has had HBAs from the beginning.

 

[gunfyter]

If they are so confident about the domicile system, why haven't they implemented it for NJI? They told us the 7/7 sched would never work. Low and behold they open a 7/7 sched for NJI. They tell us that HBAs cost an arm and a leg, yet NJI has had HBAs from the beginning.

BINGO!

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Just out of curiosity, would living in FLL and being based in PBI be doable with NJ callout rules?

Nu

 

[netjetwife]

Yes. You can live where you like and just show at the appointed time, which varies.

 

[zman300]

If they are so confident about the domicile system, why haven't they implemented it for NJI? They told us the 7/7 sched would never work. Low and behold they open a 7/7 sched for NJI. They tell us that HBAs cost an arm and a leg, yet NJI has had HBAs from the beginning.

It makes perfect sense. We, as a group, are willing to sacrifice getting ALL the benefits you guys get in exchange for other benefits, like allowing all our employees to live where they want to. I don't get overtime pay like you do, but I do get to pack up and move anywhere I want to tomorrow; to me (and everyone else I've met in my 3 yrs here), that's priceless.

Is the domicile system fiscally sound? Maybe, maybe not. But The Man isn't going to give you everything you want to his detriment; he'll give you something with one hand and take something else with the other. He gave you the big raises you wanted...awesome! But he took away your choice of a home...ces't la vie! In the end, he always wins; that's why he's The Man. We should be grateful, 'cause when he wins, we win.