Why would a RJ Capt. leave for CAL, DAL, UAL, UAW, or NW?

[Flyby1206]

Good advise! It's easy to get sucked into the this is not so bad, kind of OK paycheck. But over the LONG haul you will be better off at a major, regionals come and go, code share agreements come and go, it's better to be working for the company that actually writes the checks rather than a sub-contractor.

Bingoooo! Regional Airlines are the underwear, and the Major is the 3-piece suit. Nobody really sees the underwear, it gets crapped on, and tossed in the garbage after a while. The suit is classy and lasts, people comment on how good it is and looks great.

 

[vance]

Three words!!!

Capacity Purchase Agreement

If you're not at Chataqua or Mesa you may want to quit the Monday morning quarterback act and either deal with your decision to stay an XJT Capt or move on. Nuf said!

 

[AA717driver]

I wanted to be a lifer at a major but they wouldn't let me...TC

 

[TNPILOT]

I think it's about as good as it's ever going to get for the regionals right now. Don't kid yourself into thinking that you're doing the safe thing by staying at a regional. If the legacies continue their slow climb to something that could resemble stability, the regionals will suffer.

 

[Nightrain_080]

Assume you only get 65hrs till age 60????

Oh really? Lets take a closer look then...

United 2nd year pay- $50
$50 X 65 X 12=$39,000

United 5th year pay- $78
$78 X 65 X 12=$60,840

ExpressJet 2nd year pay- $62 if you upgrade which you prob will now.
$62 X 85 X 12= $63,240

ExpressJet 5th year pay- $68
$68 X 85 X 12= $69,360

85 hours is conservative for us. Most people credit between 85-100 hrs a month.

Just for giggles lets look at 12th year pay....

United 12th year pay- $90
$90 X 65 X 12= $70,200

ExpressJet 12th year pay- $82
$82 X 85 X 12= $83,640

All United figures are for 737/A320 FO You may move to other airframs as FO, but I am just keeping it simple. It WILL take you 12 YEARS to upgrade at United.

Now what Nightrain?? Do I still need Math 101?

Now you need to be realistic in your jaded numbers. When you base everything on regular (expressjet) hours 85 vs 65 hours Guarantee (United) and then you assume it will take you 12yrs to upgrade only at United, your arugument becomes rather flawed.

Your thread started with CAL, DAL, UAL and AA. Where are your realistic numbers from say a 5yr FO. Go ahead and compare 85hrs. vs 85hrs. plus Benefits for both and if your still confused then just stay put. Also throw in FEDEX, SWA, UPS, and AirTran. They are all hiring.

You sure do need to re-take Algebra as well. You can justify staying at Express Junk all you want, more powere to you.

 

[nonstop]

Trust me, I am having this conversation with myself. I am at XJT, made almost 80K this year and have 3 hard weeks of vacation (which is really 6 the way our contract works). There are also over 2000 pilots at this company jr to me. If I went to CAL, it would take FOUR YEARS (on the 73) to get to my current pay and with no medical insurance for 6 months.

It is crazy when you think about it. How far have we fallen as a group!? All that being said, I started this career with a goal in mind and it was not to fly the F-ing E-145 my whole life so I will continue to look for new opportunites. I will however not leave for certain low cost cariers and other 2nd tier freight types.

Who knows??

You forgot to mention the 9% 401k match... not too shabby. Plus the possibility, if it expands and if it interests you, of flying as a charter CA making an $18/hour override and 90 hour guarantee. Think our most junior charter CA makes a minimum of 100k (not counting benefits, 401k, overtime, per diem etc).

Ride that 100k salary out for 20-30 more years, or take a chance at a major. Not nearly the easy decision it used to be. Was talking to a NWA 320 FO the other day, she had around 10 years seniority and was making in the 90's. She said "Yeah I feel sorry for you guys (regional pilots), there used to at least be a light at the end of the tunnel when I was at the regionals."

 

[CAVOK69]

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[wings421]

Can anyone at United confirm the current payscale?

Airline Pilot Central shows lower than the contract does in the download section.

Looks like a 737 FO year 5 would be $90.16 starting May 1, 2007 instead of the $78 that APC shows, is that correct?

 

[stillflyn]

Oh really? Lets take a closer look then...

United 2nd year pay- $50
$50 X 65 X 12=$39,000

United 5th year pay- $78
$78 X 65 X 12=$60,840

ExpressJet 2nd year pay- $62 if you upgrade which you prob will now.
$62 X 85 X 12= $63,240

ExpressJet 5th year pay- $68
$68 X 85 X 12= $69,360

85 hours is conservative for us. Most people credit between 85-100 hrs a month.

Just for giggles lets look at 12th year pay....

United 12th year pay- $90
$90 X 65 X 12= $70,200

ExpressJet 12th year pay- $82
$82 X 85 X 12= $83,640

All United figures are for 737/A320 FO You may move to other airframs as FO, but I am just keeping it simple. It WILL take you 12 YEARS to upgrade at United.

Now what Nightrain?? Do I still need Math 101?

Jackass.......

65 hours is the gar. for line holders. 70 hours is the gar. for reserves. Most people wish their line was built to 65 hours but they aren't. The average line is probably 87-89 hours. On reserve if you pickup trips you can fly as much as you want. If your going to quote credit time than take a UAL 12th year FO at 85 hours of credit just like you did for the 12th year express jet CA. We also have a 16% B-C fund. The math is a little different.

Sometime ago, while you were in Jr. high, we had a contract that would make you change your tune. By the looks of your profile you weren't around for the bad times. The industry is on the upswing. By the time you have the flight time to apply to a company like UAL we will probably have a new contract and you would kill to come over here and swing the gear for me! Until then enjoy where you are.

Stillflyn

 

[stillflyn]

Can anyone at United confirm the current payscale?

Airline Pilot Central shows lower than the contract does in the download section.

Looks like a 737 FO year 5 would be $90.16 starting May 1, 2007 instead of the $78 that APC shows, is that correct?

That's because the last pay cut. I think it was 14%. We got some of that back on 5/01/06 and we get another 3% of it back on 5/01/07. 5th year pay on the 737/A320 should be 82.23 hr next month.