Why the lateral move - JBLU-AAI and vice versa?

[Guam360]

No way, they have Dunkin' Donuts coffee!

The dunkin donuts coffee sucks! It sucks anywaym, wherever you get, but especially on our planes. I bring my own jar of Cafe Bustelo instant.

I just happen to see a 6 year captain's w-2 for 2006, it was $239,000.

 

[Lear70]

I just happen to see a 6 year captain's w-2 for 2006, it was $239,000.

Where? FedEx?

Not JetBlue... or AirTran for that matter.

Even if a JetBlue guy credited 100 hours every single month of the year, plus per diem, it wouldn't work out over $200,000.

6th Year CA Base pay: 126.72 * 70 hours = $8,870.40
6th Year CA Premium pay: 190.08 * 30 hours = $5,702.40

Total per month: $14,572.80

12 months: $174,873.60

Per Diem 24/7 for 20 days a month (10 days off): $2.00 / hr = $48 per day * 20 days = $960 per month.

12 months per diem: $11,520.

Total Yearly W-2: $186,393.60

I call bullsh*t.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

Maybe the chics are hotter at AAI? No captain makes less than $100/hr at AAIwhich is better then JB. Once pay scale for both fleet. Bases is a big determining factor. Commuting to work sucks the big one.

 

[Guam360]

Where? FedEx?

Not JetBlue... or AirTran for that matter.

Even if a JetBlue guy credited 100 hours every single month of the year, plus per diem, it wouldn't work out over $200,000.

6th Year CA Base pay: 126.72 * 70 hours = $8,870.40
6th Year CA Premium pay: 190.08 * 30 hours = $5,702.40

Total per month: $14,572.80

12 months: $174,873.60

Per Diem 24/7 for 20 days a month (10 days off): $2.00 / hr = $48 per day * 20 days = $960 per month.

12 months per diem: $11,520.

Total Yearly W-2: $186,393.60

I call bullsh*t.

It is true, I have a copy of it. $239,000.

 

[Lear70]

I still don't believe it.

Not without some type of ONE-TIME stock payout or other compensation that had nothing to do with line flying.

You can't POSSIBLY explain to me how that level of income at JetBlue is sustainable.

PLEASE tell me you're not drinking the Kool-aid THAT deeply...

 

[Guam360]

you just answered it, there is about $80,000 worth of stock options, etc. in there.
I am jumpseating from MCO to DTW on the May 3rd, if you are on the Aitran flight I will show you.

non the less $239,000 was just that, his Line 1(wages, tips,etc.). there was actually more on a different section, he made alot, more that $300,000.

But the next point to this, no one hired from now gets stock options when hired, there is only employee stock purchase plan, even that is reduced from a 15% discount to 5% discount at purchase.

So the first two year guys made all the money, and do now, It trickles off greatly. I couldn't believe it at first.

 

[Lear70]

OK... so how does that correspond to the present topic?

"Why would people make a lateral move from AAI to JetBlue?"

Telling me what someone made as a one-time, unrepeatable event that is no longer available to new-hires doesn't exactly help make a good argument for that kind of lateral jump...?

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

Well, I have worked for both and JB culture, training, and atmosphere beats AT hands down. I do like the fact AT has a B fund. I guess it comes down to what bases work for each and the growth/ relative senority. Either way, I believe both are here to stay providing no major crashes....

 

[Guam360]

OK... so how does that correspond to the present topic?

"Why would people make a lateral move from AAI to JetBlue?"

Telling me what someone made as a one-time, unrepeatable event that is no longer available to new-hires doesn't exactly help make a good argument for that kind of lateral jump...?

Ok As$, You questioned the pay, I made a small comment about the pay potential, which was ontrack, then I gave details.

Since you hate your life and Airtran so much leave or kill yourself.

The comment I made about new hires currently do Not receive stock options is part of this thread, and could influence a new hire or someone deciding between Airtran and JB.

 

[Lear70]

Ok As$, You questioned the pay, I made a small comment about the pay potential, which was ontrack, then I gave details.

No, you didn't.

You gave a one-time example of how someone can cash out their stock... IF it wasn't under water.

That kind of income can't be sustained year after year, which makes it a bad example of a reason to make a lateral move.

Since you hate your life and Airtran so much leave or kill yourself.

OK, genius. Where did I say that?

Here's a hint:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=97405&page=3

Post # 36.

The comment I made about new hires currently do Not receive stock options is part of this thread, and could influence a new hire or someone deciding between Airtran and JB.

That's a very pertinent comment. All the other stuff about a quarter million dollars a year income at JB is not... especially given the fact that the stock is no longer available.

Well, I have worked for both and JB culture, training, and atmosphere beats AT hands down. I do like the fact AT has a B fund. I guess it comes down to what bases work for each and the growth/ relative senority. Either way, I believe both are here to stay providing no major crashes....

Well-said.