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I DO understand they are slightly different, but why not count the time?? For example some companies dont count it at all? SWA JB.....not sure about others.....

I guess I dont get it.....maybe an R22 is not, but a turbine helicopter is just as complex as a King Air, or Beech 1900.....many others.....just a curious question. :-)

I know some places DO count it.....but again....just curious
 
Right now, they don't have to take helo pilots. Every time the supply gets a little tight, rotary time is just fine with HR.

Kind of like a 4 year degree. TC
 
i guess that makes sense :-)

Kinda makes me laugh when I see it in ( ) ( exluding helicopter and simulator time)

like its fake time or something

always makes me smile a bit ;-)

It works with the current CAL mins, any idea if DAL,AA or UAL recognized it at all?
 
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Spaz, yeah obviously FW time is required, but to count C-152 time in a day VFR traffic pattern and not count multi crew, multi-ship time in a highly complex airframe (UH-60,AH-64, CH-47, CH-53, CH-46 etc) is lunacy.

Again, RW time is deffinately NOT a substitute but is much more demanding than any kind of GA piston single. You are flying in a crew environment between 5-200 AGL for hours at a time at night, in formation etc etc bla-bla.

and it's also a he!! of a lot more fun... starch wing flying is soooo boring
 
Yes, it is true that the modern helicopter is as complex of an aircraft as most airplanes, it's not the aircraft complexity the airlines care about. It's the type of flying that the airlines are looking for and helicopters don't routinely go above FL180 or in and out of Class B airspace on the ILS to minimums several times a day.

It's the type flying, not the complexity of the aircraft.
 
Hobit said:
Spaz, yeah obviously FW time is required, but to count C-152 time in a day VFR traffic pattern and not count multi crew, multi-ship time in a highly complex airframe (UH-60,AH-64, CH-47, CH-53, CH-46 etc) is lunacy.

Again, RW time is deffinately NOT a substitute but is much more demanding than any kind of GA piston single. You are flying in a crew environment between 5-200 AGL for hours at a time at night, in formation etc etc bla-bla.

and it's also a he!! of a lot more fun... starch wing flying is soooo boring
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you NAILED IT!!

I wasnt saying that one day a helo guy deceides to fly for an airline and walks into the office with a resume......I AM saying, with a few thousand hours of FW ( jet) time , why not count the RW time ALONG WITH this time? Becuase companies use PIC time to see if a person can lead, safely make decisions, not break their aircraft, and do it in any situation.....( which , if you can do it at 50 ft above the trees you can do it anywhere !)

Like I said.....I am just curious :-) .....the places that matter to me DO count it.....so no worries here.....but its interesting how some places seem to WRONGLY outkast it.
 
DITTO .....done both too! MUCH more attention to detail then ANY FW civilian flying job.
 
I agree with your above statement but will a helicopter outfit take my "starch" wing time along with my helo time when I'm applying to fly helicoptors? Or will he/she only consider my helo time? Just wondering if the shoe was on the other foot per se.

No flames intended seriously, just wondering.

Peace

Koko
 
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koko nw said:
I agree with your above statement but will a helicopter outfit take my "starch" wing time along with my helo time when I'm applying to fly helicoptors? Or will he/she only consider my helo time? Just wondering if the shoe was on the other foot per se.

No flames intended seriously, just wondering.

Peace

Koko
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Funny you should ask... two years ago I was contemplating a move out of the airlines and into a local Air Ambulance outfit for family reasons. The fellow(chief pilot type) who I showed my resume to commented that indeed the times looked good(5000+) and all but, you guessed it, there was the pesky matter of my only having 2000 hours of rotary wing time.

So yes, it does cut both ways and perhaps rightly so.

That said, I have to agree that once certain levels of experience in class (RW vs. FW) have been met, to pretend that the years spent flying the other might as well have been spent in front of the computer flying microsoft flight simulator is downright ignorant.
 
Maybe the simple fact that it's "ignored" instead or "ingored" that has you at a disadvantage. Ingored seems relatively painful to me. I've never been ingored, but I have been ignored before however!!!! As you see fit, cheers all,.....herewegoagain.......
 
cus, its a buyers' market.
 
XRMEFLYER said:
Funny you should ask... two years ago I was contemplating a move out of the airlines and into a local Air Ambulance outfit for family reasons. The fellow(chief pilot type) who I showed my resume to commented that indeed the times looked good(5000+) and all but, you guessed it, there was the pesky matter of my only having 2000 hours of rotary wing time.

So yes, it does cut both ways and perhaps rightly so.

That said, I have to agree that once certain levels of experience in class (RW vs. FW) have been met, to pretend that the years spent flying the other might as well have been spent in front of the computer flying microsoft flight simulator is downright ignorant.
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Thanks Extreme and I concur.

Koko
 
'Cause that is what the Chief Pilot and Management want to do.

They probably ask themselves, "Why did this guy go Helo if he knew we didn't value it as much as fixed wing?"
 
Joking

Just kidding here....
Because helicopters don't fly...They beat the air into submission.:laugh:
 
I have so far managed to not say anything negative about anyones reponses on this forum, but now I must take exception to Instructordudes incredibly ignorant if not immature post. If you do not have the experience as you indicate than perhaps a nice STF up would be in order.
Both realms of flying are different. I can say it is more plausible for a helo DUDE to live longer flying a FW with no experience than it is for FW aviator jumping in and flying a RW.
That being said someone earlier mentioned Army and Marines do not make it to VP slots. There is probably alot of truth to that statement. Besides in generations past helos just were not cool with the fast movers. Still see it obviously today. Additionally the FW guys and Gals missed out on all that quality tent time that the Army and Corp loves...

Birdman
BTV
 
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It takes time to accomplish but f/w flying is alot more representative of the experience the majors want.

For me as a helo bubba it took 5 years, 1 month to go through 2 commuters and two non-sched companies to make it to a major.

TBH, going 15 miles from MCAS Tustin to the ranges at Pendleton VFR talking to no one other than range control in the restricted areas is really not anthing like flying in an airline environment.

But, it should count towards total time.
 
We hire a lot of helo guys, they all do well. We count the multi helo time towards MEL, and all hell time towards totals. We have never had a training failure with a former active military helo driver, can not say the same for pure civilian pilots. They a have a lot going for them, pre screened for a highly competitvie training prograam, trained to standard procedures, and a disipline that is uniform. I know a lot of the regional count helo time also because I have lost helo pilots out of the pool to places like ASA and Colgan.
 
fatboyplt said:
I have so far managed to not say anything negative about anyones reponses on this forum, but now I must take exception to Instructordudes incredibly ignorant if not immature post. If you do not have the experience as you indicate than perhaps a nice STF up would be in order.
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Methinks he was being facetious. Lighten up, Francis.
 
fatboyplt said:
I have so far managed to not say anything negative about anyones reponses on this forum, but now I must take exception to Instructordudes incredibly ignorant if not immature post. If you do not have the experience as you indicate than perhaps a nice STF up would be in order.
Both realms of flying are different. I can say it is more plausible for a helo DUDE to live longer flying a FW with no experience than it is for FW aviator jumping in and flying a RW.
That being said someone earlier mentioned Army and Marines do not make it to VP slots. There is probably alot of truth to that statement. Besides in generations past helos just were not cool with the fast movers. Still see it obviously today. Additionally the FW guys and Gals missed out on all that quality tent time that the Army and Corp loves...

Birdman
BTV
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Instructordude is a complete clown - do not even try to reason with him. He's a standard twenty something embry ridiculous or all ATP product with a few hundred hours and his CFI and thinks he actually has some air sense. The guy has no clue and will never make it past Air Wisconsin or Chataqua because he's already managed to get himself blackballed on here with every major carrier out there.
 
Scrapdog said:
Instructordude is a complete clown - do not even try to reason with him. He's a standard twenty something embry ridiculous or all ATP product with a few hundred hours and his CFI and thinks he actually has some air sense.
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Actually, I think, no I'm pretty sure, instructordude is uppercrust!
 
Scrapdog said:
Instructordude is a complete clown - do not even try to reason with him. He's a standard twenty something embry ridiculous or all ATP product with a few hundred hours and his CFI and thinks he actually has some air sense. The guy has no clue and will never make it past Air Wisconsin or Chataqua because he's already managed to get himself blackballed on here with every major carrier out there.
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Sorry Crapdog but I got some high connections at CAL and FedEX. I can't meet the mins at Fedex for awhile so I'll settle for CAL.

As far as reasoning with folks, it is ok to disagree. You're not at the Academy any more, so here is a little advice: It takes all types.
 
Hobit said:
Spaz, yeah obviously FW time is required, but to count C-152 time in a day VFR traffic pattern and not count multi crew, multi-ship time in a highly complex airframe (UH-60,AH-64, CH-47, CH-53, CH-46 etc) is lunacy.

Again, RW time is deffinately NOT a substitute but is much more demanding than any kind of GA piston single. You are flying in a crew environment between 5-200 AGL for hours at a time at night, in formation etc etc bla-bla.

and it's also a he!! of a lot more fun... starch wing flying is soooo boring
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Actually, C-152 time doesn't count for much either.
 

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