Why is helicopter time ingored?

[lookin4better]

I DO understand they are slightly different, but why not count the time?? For example some companies dont count it at all? SWA JB.....not sure about others.....

I guess I dont get it.....maybe an R22 is not, but a turbine helicopter is just as complex as a King Air, or Beech 1900.....many others.....just a curious question.

I know some places DO count it.....but again....just curious

 

[AA717driver]

Right now, they don't have to take helo pilots. Every time the supply gets a little tight, rotary time is just fine with HR.

Kind of like a 4 year degree. TC

 

[Hobit]

Ignorance

 

[lookin4better]

i guess that makes sense

Kinda makes me laugh when I see it in ( ) ( exluding helicopter and simulator time)

like its fake time or something

always makes me smile a bit ;-)

It works with the current CAL mins, any idea if DAL,AA or UAL recognized it at all?

 

[ReportCanoa]

Because if you get lost, you can stop.

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Could be because airlines fly airplanes?

 

[lookin4better]

Ignorance

you've got something there

 

[Hobit]

Spaz, yeah obviously FW time is required, but to count C-152 time in a day VFR traffic pattern and not count multi crew, multi-ship time in a highly complex airframe (UH-60,AH-64, CH-47, CH-53, CH-46 etc) is lunacy.

Again, RW time is deffinately NOT a substitute but is much more demanding than any kind of GA piston single. You are flying in a crew environment between 5-200 AGL for hours at a time at night, in formation etc etc bla-bla.

and it's also a he!! of a lot more fun... starch wing flying is soooo boring

 

[GCD]

Yes, it is true that the modern helicopter is as complex of an aircraft as most airplanes, it's not the aircraft complexity the airlines care about. It's the type of flying that the airlines are looking for and helicopters don't routinely go above FL180 or in and out of Class B airspace on the ILS to minimums several times a day.

It's the type flying, not the complexity of the aircraft.

 

[lookin4better]

Spaz, yeah obviously FW time is required, but to count C-152 time in a day VFR traffic pattern and not count multi crew, multi-ship time in a highly complex airframe (UH-60,AH-64, CH-47, CH-53, CH-46 etc) is lunacy.

Again, RW time is deffinately NOT a substitute but is much more demanding than any kind of GA piston single. You are flying in a crew environment between 5-200 AGL for hours at a time at night, in formation etc etc bla-bla.

and it's also a he!! of a lot more fun... starch wing flying is soooo boring

you NAILED IT!!

I wasnt saying that one day a helo guy deceides to fly for an airline and walks into the office with a resume......I AM saying, with a few thousand hours of FW ( jet) time , why not count the RW time ALONG WITH this time? Becuase companies use PIC time to see if a person can lead, safely make decisions, not break their aircraft, and do it in any situation.....( which , if you can do it at 50 ft above the trees you can do it anywhere !)

Like I said.....I am just curious .....the places that matter to me DO count it.....so no worries here.....but its interesting how some places seem to WRONGLY outkast it.

 

[lookin4better]

DITTO .....done both too! MUCH more attention to detail then ANY FW civilian flying job.

 

[koko nw]

I agree with your above statement but will a helicopter outfit take my "starch" wing time along with my helo time when I'm applying to fly helicoptors? Or will he/she only consider my helo time? Just wondering if the shoe was on the other foot per se.

No flames intended seriously, just wondering.

Peace

Koko

 

[XRMEFLYER]

I agree with your above statement but will a helicopter outfit take my "starch" wing time along with my helo time when I'm applying to fly helicoptors? Or will he/she only consider my helo time? Just wondering if the shoe was on the other foot per se.

No flames intended seriously, just wondering.

Peace

Koko

Funny you should ask... two years ago I was contemplating a move out of the airlines and into a local Air Ambulance outfit for family reasons. The fellow(chief pilot type) who I showed my resume to commented that indeed the times looked good(5000+) and all but, you guessed it, there was the pesky matter of my only having 2000 hours of rotary wing time.

So yes, it does cut both ways and perhaps rightly so.

That said, I have to agree that once certain levels of experience in class (RW vs. FW) have been met, to pretend that the years spent flying the other might as well have been spent in front of the computer flying microsoft flight simulator is downright ignorant.

 

[herewego again]

Maybe the simple fact that it's "ignored" instead or "ingored" that has you at a disadvantage. Ingored seems relatively painful to me. I've never been ingored, but I have been ignored before however!!!! As you see fit, cheers all,.....herewegoagain.......

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Maybe the simple fact that it's "ignored" instead or "ingored" that has you at a disadvantage. Ingored seems relatively painful to me. I've never been ingored, but I have been ignored before however!!!! As you see fit, cheers all,.....herewegoagain.......

:laugh:

 

[SWA/FO]

cus, its a buyers' market.

 

[koko nw]

Funny you should ask... two years ago I was contemplating a move out of the airlines and into a local Air Ambulance outfit for family reasons. The fellow(chief pilot type) who I showed my resume to commented that indeed the times looked good(5000+) and all but, you guessed it, there was the pesky matter of my only having 2000 hours of rotary wing time.

So yes, it does cut both ways and perhaps rightly so.

That said, I have to agree that once certain levels of experience in class (RW vs. FW) have been met, to pretend that the years spent flying the other might as well have been spent in front of the computer flying microsoft flight simulator is downright ignorant.

Thanks Extreme and I concur.

Koko

 

[Mookie]

You can't read the usa today while "operating"....

Mookie

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

'Cause that is what the Chief Pilot and Management want to do.

They probably ask themselves, "Why did this guy go Helo if he knew we didn't value it as much as fixed wing?"

 

[instructordude]

Because helo time isn't anywhere near as valuable as jet time. No doubt about it.