Who won and is doing the Frontier flying in DEN?

[flyrunner80]

Because I heard a rumor that ASA might..........underline might........fly E190's. This is what Frontier now wants ASA to fly. Not bait, this came from the training department at ASA. O.k. now discuss.

 

[TAWS]

Dream on ...................

 

[inbound]

So thats how we get from ORD to MDW

 

[Silent Partner]

Hmmm, last I heard Skywest, Inc. won that flying. I did hear a rumor that Frontier didn't want to use CRJ-700's but those Emb-170 or 190 and RAH was going to do it. But us (ASA) flying 190's?....that's a new rumor to me.

Nice avatar!

 

[Speedtape]

It was announced on the Jerry Springer show today!

 

[8HourPilot]

That $hit was great.

So thats how we get from ORD to MDW

 

[goahead]

I heard the same thing from a senior IP the other day but don't ever see it happening....... EVER.
In my opinion if it's going to be and EMBs then republic would get it and if it were CRJs then we will get it.

 

[Soverytired]

Seriously though, I did hear a pretty "firm" rumor that Frontier will be starting up a Q400 operation. Separate airline certificate; may or may not be a separate entity when it comes to pilot lists.

If that happens, I'm dusting off the Dash cert and throwing in an application.

 

[TAWS]

Seriously though, I did hear a pretty "firm" rumor that Frontier will be starting up a Q400 operation. Separate airline certificate; may or may not be a separate entity when it comes to pilot lists.

If that happens, I'm dusting off the Dash cert and throwing in an application.

Living under a rock, are we????

It's called Lynx (rumor has it).

 

[79%N1]

You have a better chance of having Frank Sinatra, Babe Ruth, the Pope, John Lennon, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster over for dinner at the Playboy Mansion than ASA ever flying E190's for anybody....ever!

 

[8HourPilot]

....I dont know man, this guy sounds pretty sure.

You have a better chance of having Frank Sinatra, Babe Ruth, the Pope, John Lennon, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster over for dinner at the Playboy Mansion than ASA ever flying E190's for anybody....ever!

 

[Soverytired]

Living under a rock, are we????

It's called Lynx (rumor has it).

What? This rumor has been posted before?

Guess I should read EVERY thread it flightinfo. (I don't think there are enough hours in the day though! )

Actually, wikipedia (only slighly more accurate than flightinfo) has some info on this subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Airlines#Lynx_Aviation_.26_FrontierExpress


Lynx Aviation & FrontierExpress

On September 6, 2006, Frontier announced that a new division of the holding company known as Lynx Aviation, would operate 10 Bombardier Q400 aircraft beginning in May 2007 as FrontierExpress.[2] The first Q400 will be delivered in May 2007 with one additional aircraft per month from July through September and two per month from October through December. The 10 option aircraft would be delivered March 2008 through January 2009.[3]
The name plays off of the tail pictures of its planes, specifically Larry the Lynx, and the fact that it "Links" smaller airports to the main Denver hub.[4] One reason for the change is to help reduce costs, Frontier hopes to cut costs on routes 650 miles or shorter by 30%, allowing entry into new markets. [5] It is unknown at this time if the aircraft will have LiveTV installed on board.
The current head of Lynx Aviation is Tom Nunn.[6]

 

[colejer]

I had LeBrequec on my Jumpseat two weeks ago and asked him about the Frontier flying. He said he didn't think we would get it because it was E-190 flying and they would probably choose someone who is already flying it

 

[bailout]

I had LeBrequec on my Jumpseat two weeks ago and asked him about the Frontier flying. He said he didn't think we would get it because it was E-190 flying and they would probably choose someone who is already flying it

I cant believe you let him ride!! Wasnt your O2 a little low for a jumpseater?? hhmmm??

 

[goahead]

I had LeBrequec on my Jumpseat two weeks ago and asked him about the Frontier flying. He said he didn't think we would get it because it was E-190 flying and they would probably choose someone who is already flying it

Was he talking with his hands and blinking a lot........

Like I said if it's EMBs we won't get it but if its CRJs we will.

 

[USCtrojan]

Skywest already has a whole network set up in Denver, Republic, I believe, do not. That's costly to initiate. I don't believe Frontier pays for that sort of thing (setting up bases, etc.) Not sure how Frontier compensates there. It's no secret the E170 is an expensive airplane to operate, however, passengers LOVE it. Maybe that's why Frontier wants it so badly. They are a low cost carrier, and you'd think they would want cheaper flying. Frontier will operate the 2 aircraft Horizon are sending back in January (replace with Airbus). As far as I know, Horizon will be out of Denver as of Dec. 2007.

Trojan

 

[boknowsASA]

gosh it would be nice to get out of ATL...

 

[Stifler's Mom]

gosh it would be nice to get out of ATL...

Copy dat, Rahggg.

 

[subin30]

For SKywest, what about the non-compete clause for United out of Denver? It is my understanding SKywest will not likely get the frontier flying b/c of that. Station manager in DEN at Skywest said Republic is the likely winner with 170 or 175s.

its hard to say who will get the flying. but i think the E190 for ASA is unlikely.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Skywest and ASA is NOT getting the F9 flying...why do you guys keep trying to convince yourselves of that?????

 

[sweptback]

For SKywest, what about the non-compete clause for United out of Denver? It is my understanding SKywest will not likely get the frontier flying b/c of that. Station manager in DEN at Skywest said Republic is the likely winner with 170 or 175s.

SkyWest would be bidding for the flying under the ASA certificate. We're not restricted by the United clause.

I agree that E190s at ASA are a long shot, however I don't believe that RAH will be the only regional operator of the E170 family forever. The question is if 20 planes is enough to justify adding another fleet type for another airline.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I had LeBrequec on my Jumpseat two weeks ago and asked him about the Frontier flying. He said he didn't think we would get it because it was E-190 flying and they would probably choose someone who is already flying it

Well ,if LiarBrecque told you that it MUST be true. I'm surprised he didn't also throw in the obligatory "if only our pay rates were a little lower, we might get it".

 

[SPDBRD747400]

I'm not sure the argument about the CRJ versus EMB flying (meaning ASA wouldn't do it if it was E170/190 flying) isn't really all that valid anymore. Look at CHQ with CRJ's for CO when all they had were ERJ's....Yes Yes I know it's smaller and more are available but don't discount it just on airplanes do it on Bag handling, or is that miss-handling!!! Wasn't that our currents CEO responsibility pre his promotion?

 

[blackbox]

Skywest already has a whole network set up in Denver, Republic, I believe, do not. That's costly to initiate. I don't believe Frontier pays for that sort of thing (setting up bases, etc.) Not sure how Frontier compensates there. It's no secret the E170 is an expensive airplane to operate, however, passengers LOVE it. Maybe that's why Frontier wants it so badly. They are a low cost carrier, and you'd think they would want cheaper flying. Frontier will operate the 2 aircraft Horizon are sending back in January (replace with Airbus). As far as I know, Horizon will be out of Denver as of Dec. 2007.

Trojan

I doubt the "network set up" is going to stop other airlines from bidding. It may be costly, but what does Frontier care if they dont have to pay for the set (as you mentioned)? I would assume Frontier owned the gates, not horizon. Thats the biggest obstacle.

I dont know who is going to get the flying. But to think skywest/asa will get it just because they are already set up there is a bit silly, no?

 

[colorado14hi]

From the time this was first announced, the process of selection has definitely drug out. This could lead one to surmise that the bids have come in higher than Frontier expected, leading to continued negotiations to get them lowered. It is logical to think that ASA (skywest) would have an inside track with their support infastructure already in place. However, the reliability factor of the current ASA operations surely must be a major consideration in the selection process.

CHQ on the other hand has the public's more favored small jet. Many have commented on its' preference when flying routes longer than 1.5 hours. But will Republic be willing to accept a less than 10% return on their investment? This has to be an obstacle to the CHQ bid.

Frontier is scheduled to take delivery of five 318s between February and May which will help in cover some of the early loss of Horizon's departing planes. But beginning in September the pull down of Horizon craft begins in earnest and if Frontier expects to have their small jet switchover successful a selection needs to be made soon. Otherwise, it becomes a logistics challenge for the new regional operator and a mainline scheduling cauldron for Frontier.

 

[79%N1]

"However, the reliability factor of the current ASA operations surely must be a major consideration in the selection process."


When will you guys get it through your heads....ASA's operational performance stems from the difficulties of the worlds busiest airport in a crazy weather area, and from the lack of work ethic in the employee pool, coupled with the understaffing in such a busy operation. With a small operation in DEN, hiring from that hiring pool out of a lesser congested airport with the mailine partner NOT trying to shove 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag, ASA will perform as well as CHQ/REP, Horizon, Skywest or anybody else......just as they would have the same challenges ASA faces in ATL.

 

[homerjdispatch]

"However, the reliability factor of the current ASA operations surely must be a major consideration in the selection process."


When will you guys get it through your heads....ASA's operational performance stems from the difficulties of the worlds busiest airport in a crazy weather area, and from the lack of work ethic in the employee pool, coupled with the understaffing in such a busy operation. With a small operation in DEN, hiring from that hiring pool out of a lesser congested airport with the mailine partner NOT trying to shove 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb bag, ASA will perform as well as CHQ/REP, Horizon, Skywest or anybody else......just as they would have the same challenges ASA faces in ATL.

You know what they say about excuses....

 

[Crash Pad]

Let me juice this rumor a little more.

I heard that ASA management is no longer seeking dual qualification.

Suppose they knew we were going to be the EMB-170/190 carrier under the SKYW umbrella. Then it would make sense that they no longer want dual qualification or same pay rates.

79% I don't think Frontier gives a rats a$$ where the airline is based. Assuming they did care are we to believe that ORD is a slow airport without weather problems?

 

[TAWS]

One of the problems that F9 apparently had, was the difference in service between the Airbus and the CRJ - Horizon is a good product, but they aren't cheap and people didn't like getting off a bus and onto a CRJ.
F9 wants something that is going to feel more like a comparable standard in service. As for someone else operating the EMBs, sure - it's bound to happen, but Bedford has/had all the options tied up (I don't know if this is still the case) and only JetBlue has comparable operating experience - these are not like ERJs or CRJs, they are finicky aircraft and can tie your operation in knots if you don't know them well enough.

 

[Texx]

F9 wants something that is going to feel more like a comparable standard in service.

And you know everyting that Frontier wants and thinks? Yeah, right.