Who hires Green Card-Holders

[Flyingdutchman]

"No, seriously, it's not really that much different: Get the right to work, get the license and learn the language and you can apply. Whether you get the job is a different story. Same as in the US."
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true true true

 

[((7))]

"Get the right to work".

True,True,True......My A**......

The green card procedure itself has several different categories. The best, from the worker's point of view, is EB-1, the so-called National Interest Waiver. If the worker can document that he is of truly exceptional talent, i.e. world-class, he can actually sponsor himself for a green card, thereby avoiding the indentured-servant problem . There are also the EB-2 and EB-3 green card categories, which are employer-sponsored.

Does Holland, Germany, France, Austria allow a "exceptional talent" to qualify for a self sponsored "Green Card"? I wonder how many EB-1, EB-2 and EB-3 are in the future? Just think, a US airline pilot workforce calls a strike and then the Fatcats at Corporate America comb the world for "exceptional talent", with the added bonus of EB-2 or EB-3 status of sucking the Company hose with added enthusiasm.

 

[jayme]

I think if you went through the immigration process you would change your tune. I tried applying under EB1. You need to have 3 of 10 things going for you. Things like nationally recognized awards in your field and articles published in trade magazines. On top of that you need to prove it is in the nations best interest to approve your case. No matter how hard I tried, I could not satisfy the requirements.

You seem to know what you're talking about. Please don't exaggerate to try to make it look like the world is against Americans.

 

[((7))]

I think if you went through the immigration process you would change your tune. I tried applying under EB1. You need to have 3 of 10 things going for you. Things like nationally recognized awards in your field and articles published in trade magazines. On top of that you need to prove it is in the nations best interest to approve your case. No matter how hard I tried, I could not satisfy the requirements.

You seem to know what you're talking about. Please don't exaggerate to try to make it look like the world is against Americans.

To bad, so you had to settle for the EB2 or EB3? Congress (USA) has passed the latest H-1b increase maybe some of your buddies can slide into a part 121 job for $7.50 per hour (block time).

 

[Sunnfun]

To bad, so you had to settle for the EB2 or EB3? Congress (USA) has passed the latest H-1b increase maybe some of your buddies can slide into a part 121 job for $7.50 per hour (block time).

Please don't confuse the issues. a) Getting a work permit and b) getting a job for a european airline are two entirely different things and equally difficult in the USA.

a) is highly dependant on your personal situation, backround and history or whether or not you have a potential employer with some pull with the INS (or bcis or uscis or whatever they call themselves these days). Or both. Or just enough money to pay to those immigration lawyers. Same in any given european country. True in almost any line of business. Engineering and computer science are also very competetive (especially for people from the far-east and india).

To understand b) you have to realise that most if not all european airlines have so-called ab-initio programs where they train (highly selected) cadets from 0 hours to ATPL. It's completely normal for a junior F/O to start flying the line on 737s and A320s with just shy of 300 hours (This is not a typo, three-hundred!).

Since people are lined up around the corner for those ab-initio programs, there is enough supply for the demand. Those rejected by the major airlines finance their training themselves (up to 40,000 Euros plus Type Rating) in all kinds of FTOs (call it PFT if you will) and apply for the rest of the jobs (= Corporate, Charter and small regionals). The "CFI-Way" is very unusual in europe.

Bottom line is, the job market is highly competetive even without non-eu people. BUT if you have the right to work and you do qualify for whatever job you apply for, there's a chance for you. There's a lot of US-(and other) expats flying all over europe.

Be reminded though, that you compete with eu citizens who have loans for 40,000 Euros and are willing to work for literally nothing!

 

[Tinstaafl]

Actually it's more like 60,000 GBP for many of these 0 to CPL/instrument/ATPL exams (aka known as 'frozen ATPL'), plus the 2000 pound 'multi-crew cooperation course' (MCC) that was introduced by the Joint Aviation Authoties. No such requirement in the US.

In many ways it's *easier* to get work approval at least somewhere in Europe. There are many, many countries so many people from overseas can find some claim to being acceptable somewhere. Don't forget to include the numerous colonies/ex-colonies who have a claim, grand-parent eligibility in the UK etc etc. Widening the region somewhat, Australia has a points system: if you can produce sufficient reasons (all weighted on a points system) to add up to 100 points then you're in. Some things that count: Education level, relatives already in the country, skills/qualifications that are promulgated by the government as being 'in demand'.

Similarly, if you marry a citizen from one of the European countries, Australia, New Zealand etc then there's usually minimal paperwork or delay to gain living & working approval - unlike the US where it can take a year or more. 6 months just to be approved to enter the US as a fiance(e), another 6 months to a year to finally be allowed to stay, not able to leave the country without applying, and paying for, 'advanced parole' or the whole application process is cancelled, as is the ability to re-enter the US.

I strongly suspect those who say it's not fair, it's so much easier to get into the US, they're taking jobs etc are those who have never been involved in the process, either to emmigrate or immigrate, nor do they have credible information about the numbers of US pilots flying elsewhere in the world. Ever consider that expat US pilots are doing the same?

 

[SBD-2U3]

Wow... Someone from europe who knows that " There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch". You my freind are among te few unlike the USA where it is almost expected. Stay Strong and earn your way. Your parents taught you well.

 

[Tinstaafl]

More accurate to say I'm from Australia although born in the UK. Fortunately we escaped from pommyland when I was just a tot.

 

[Weasil]

Tinstaafl, not too many americans are going to know where pommyland is.

 

[Ganja60Heavy]

Who said this?

"I'd kill a Communist for fun. But for a green card, I'm gonna carve him up real nice!"


Extra credit:

"....and if anything happens to that buy-money....eeeeeeee, pobreceeeeeeee. My boss is gonna stick your head up your ass faster than a rabbit gets **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed!"

[just wanted to give the censor algorithm something to really work on]

LIBERTAD!

 

[auspac]

Part of the reason why this green card holder is here is because during our ALPA strike in the late 80s we had a bunch of US scabs happily take the jobs at Ansett and Qantas

 

[SERPICO]

1989 !!!!! Do we have to go there....yawn. Don't go insulting the place that now brings home the bacon. Plenty of Aussies took those jobs too.

 

[Tinstaafl]

Plenty of the Oz 89'ers were quick to drop back into Oz GA during their 'strike', preventing those trying to move up from getting a, or better, job so it's pots & kettles. Anyway, they resigned from their jobs so others can hardly be a scab for accepting employment. Once they resigned they lost any claim to a position as well as protection under employment laws. The advice they took was stupid in the extreme.

Do I agree with how the military were used to replace the civil airlines & break the union? No. Nor do I agree with the way the Oz government treated them. But I also don't agree with what the 89's did.

 

[MED]

Just sue the company who won't hire you because you're a greencard holder. That's discremination, greencard is authorization to work as far as I know.

 

[auspac]

"1989 !!!!! Do we have to go there....yawn. Don't go insulting the place that now brings home the bacon. Plenty of Aussies took those jobs too."

Hell YES we have to go back there. Ask a United guy if they have to go back to 1985. I agree that Aussies scabbed the jobs as well. A scab is a scab regardless of citizenship. Just don't imply that foriegners stealing jobs doesn't go both ways. I'm a foriegner here - but never a scab.

And Tinstaafl, you may have left "pommyland" as a tot but you certainly still sound like a pom.

 

[Weasil]

here we go. you should have seen the thread on 89ers on pprune. it ran for pages. "yawn"

 

[Tinstaafl]

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed if I want to get in a slanging match about '89. If Auspac wants to continue then do it on another thread. It wasn't even mentioned until Auspac couldn't leave it alone

 

[bushpilot29]

Pinnacle does hire the Green-card holder.
Also to you all spoilt American brats with their big fat (I am American)pride..Take chill..
Does anybody know American history when all the people in Usa were originally immigrants except from the poor NAtiveAmericans.
Whom you fore-fathers put them in the reservation & performed mass killing in the past.

 

[goofyleftwich]

do some research........there are quite a few PFT operators out there

 

[cape]

nobody does now cuz TSA does the background check now and they need atleast 30 days and u need to have ypur ground school scheduled they will still call yoou for an interview to make it look good and send you a rejection letter no matter how you do