Who hires Green Card-Holders

[Vik]

Actually, they all have pretty much similiar requirements .. "THE RIGHT TO LEGALLY WORK" just like the U.S.

If you get an E.U. work permit and meet their minimums and requirements, they will hire you.

Lufthansa requires fluent German and an E.U. work permit.

People from other countries do get jobs here, but generally, they need to have the legal right to work here.

I won't deny the discrimination of U.S. pilots aboard though. It exists and it stems entirely from jealousy IMO. The U.S. has tons more pilot jobs than their countries do so they get attitude about it.

I'd like to work for Virgin Atlantic actually. Swiss would be nice but they require German.

I want to get a job at Luftansa. I am American and yet they don't invite me for an interview. What a bunch of crap. We give people from other countires airline jobs here, so why does it not work they other way. I've heard guys check on and they barely speak English. "Detit roach, Nortwess 292 12 thesend, Whitky." Apparenlty you don't have to be able to read, speak, and understand english to hold a certificate.

Just simmer down a little there, Ligeirinho

 

[satpak77]

not correct

Eagle and AMR group don't even hire citizen that is foreign born because they are right wing

Eagle had two illegal aliens flying for them back in 2002. Here is the link

http://www.ainonline.com/issues/03_02/03_02_pilotsinschargespg22.html

 

[Herman]

Thanks for all the replies. I know about background checks, also know that most airlines have Green Card-Holders working for them, but have they hired additional ones, after the TSA took over the background checks form the DOJ (beginning of October)?

 

[Trash8Mofo]

I want to get a job at Luftansa. I am American and yet they don't invite me for an interview. What a bunch of crap. We give people from other countires airline jobs here, so why does it not work they other way.

Sf3boy,

Get over you right-wing preaching crap. We don't just hire anybody. You'd have to be either a citizen, a green-card holder (which is a citizen to-be), or holder of a work permit visa (not to mention the 10-yr background cheeck). Now if you want to forgo your American citizenship, and apply for and are granted a German one, then Luftansa would be more than happy to give you a shot. Which is exactly what all those other greencard holders did in reversal. Just because you can speak better English doesn't make you more American. IMHO, you can earn your "Im-an-American" bragging rights by either serving in the armed forces, by breaking down the culture/language barriers and difficulties to pursue an American citizenship, or actively helping out within your own community. Otherwise, you are just a dude living in America who likes to bitch.

 

[RJP]

I want to get a job at Luftansa. I am American and yet they don't invite me for an interview. What a bunch of crap. We give people from other countires airline jobs here, so why does it not work they other way. I've heard guys check on and they barely speak English. "Detit roach, Nortwess 292 12 thesend, Whitky." Apparenlty you don't have to be able to read, speak, and understand english to hold a certificate.

Just simmer down a little there, Ligeirinho

Hate to agree with Trash8 but he's pretty accurate here. Besides the fact that your FAA license if WORTHLESS ouside the good ole USA.

They don't want you at Lufthansa anyway.

 

[((7))]

Hey MoFo your full of Sh#t. Your statement

"Now if you want to forgo your American citizenship, and apply for and are granted a German one, then Luftansa would be more than happy to give you a shot. Which is exactly what all those other greencard holders did in reversal. Just because you can speak better English doesn't make you more American. ".

BullSh#t. 100% crap, Not true. Foreign nationals can hold dual citizenship with the US. Get your LEFT WING BULLSH#T straight before you step on your little pee-pee again.

 

[chrisdahut24]

Hey MoFo your full of Sh#t. Your statement

"Now if you want to forgo your American citizenship, and apply for and are granted a German one, then Luftansa would be more than happy to give you a shot. Which is exactly what all those other greencard holders did in reversal. Just because you can speak better English doesn't make you more American. ".

BullSh#t. 100% crap, Not true. Foreign nationals can hold dual citizenship with the US. Get your LEFT WING BULLSH#T straight before you step on your little pee-pee again.

Depends on the country. Germany, if Im not mistaken, is a country that has a problem with dual citizenship. Therefore obtaining U.S. citizenship voids the German one.

So I guess he has his left wing bullsh*t is somewhat straight.

 

[((7))]

Yep he got it right, next time lets hope we let the Stalin's of the world have the complete country. Citizenship would be a mute point.

 

[jayme]

moot


BTW, it took me 7 years from the time I moved here for school until I had a green card. During that time I taught about 100 students that went on to be senior to me at various airlines.

Go to Germany. Struggle through the immigration process for years. Eat ramen the whole time. Then get on at Lufthansa. Don't get on a public forum and act all indignant because somebody from another country had the intestinal fortitude to do it here.

 

[sf3boy]

A green card holder is NOT a future citizen. You can apply for green card renewals and have zero intention of becoming a citizen. Get you facts straight, Trash8MoFo. Oh wait, yes that's right, left wing folks don't let facts get in their way and cloud the issues.

I have no intention of leaving this country for employment with Luftansa or anyone else. I was just making a point for Legeirinho that the evil America is not so evil. If it was like European countries, we wouldn't hire any foreigners period. If you don't like our country, please get a job in yours.

 

[E120ASA]

Go home and fly. Biggest mistake the FAA ever made, they should have given you a temporary certificate. good for one year..... Your country won’t take us why should we... also illegals go home. I have had enough.

 

[Boris Badenov]

That's some serious outrage. In principle, of course, I agree that one ought not to complain about foreigners doing jobs in America, if the same opportunities are available in the other direction.

That's maybe where we part company. Anyone who has looked in to it is aware that it's practically impossible for an American to get the right to work in the EU, particularly in flying, short of marrying someone. The number of foreigners I hear on frequency suggests to me that maybe the reverse is not the case.

Anyone have any numbers on EU ----> US immigration versus its reciprocal? I'd be happy to wager that Europeans come out on the better end.

And yes, that makes me angry. It would make you angry too, if you and yours were the ones getting the shaft, then hearing Americans making (unsubstantiated) allegations about European countries being "anti-american".

 

[767200]

Go home and fly. Biggest mistake the FAA ever made, they should have given you a temporary certificate. good for one year..... Your country won’t take us why should we... also illegals go home. I have had enough.

Other countries will take you as long as you have their equivalent "green card/citizenship" and the required experience.

 

[Alfa Romeo]

I have flown for a 121 carrier as a green card holder. I grew up in a poor country and even riding on an airplane was never affordable to me, let alone fly one. I applied for a green card about 12 years ago and got it about 5 years ago. After I came here I was able to work and go to flight school and eventually even get an airline job. I don't agree with people that came over here and then bash the US and the people here. Yes I also disagree with somethings, but I neither do I complain about the background check paperwork that I have to fill out till I am eligible for citizenship here nor about the people who have a bit of cynical views about foreign nationals. I have experienced discrimination in small or large amounts, but I choose to ignore it and move on because I also know that there is a majority of people here who are very welcoming and accomodating. I have never even have been denied a jumpseat because of my color etc. 99% of the crews and people in the aviation and majority of american people have been very nice to me. I was able to fulfill my dream about flying because I came here, whatever I earned till today is because I was offered an opportunity by the american people and I will never forget that. So as for people that choose to leave their own country and live here and yet always complain about things here, I just have to say, they can always go back!
Also why is there a fight and bashing each other on a thread that started as a simple question as to which airlines will hire a green card holder?
Just my opinion....

 

[Rottweiller]

Other countries will take you as long as you have their equivalent "green card/citizenship" and the required experience.

EXACTLY! I used to fly cargo in Europe and there were Americans, Canadians, Africans etc amoungst the crews. They all had the right to work in Europe and had acceptable licenses. The fact is that, as pointed out earlier, the FAA license in many countries isn't worth the paper (or plastic now) that they are printed on.

Compared to many countries the FAA license is a cake walk to acquire both with the simplicity of the knowledge required (plus you can get the answers in a book) and the flight tests. Go and do the JAA ATP or better yet the UK license and see how "easy" it is. I hold ATP's from 4 different reglatory agencies and having the FAA one first in no way prepared me for the others when it came to the writen tests.

If you look at the INS / DOJ site most of Europe, and many other countries are excluded from programs like the Greencard lottery. I would imagine that most of the foreign voices that you hear have either married an American, have a non US born parent married to an American to name a few and can have a greencard or citizenship when the return / move to the US. So yes if you want to work in say Europe those countries just afford the same stipulations that say a European citizen is subject to when trying to live and work in the US.

It bugs the $hit out of me when some think they have been hard done by and can't fly elsewhere just because they have a license when they can't even meet, or are prepared to, the requirements for other countries.

 

[Trash8Mofo]

entittlism

Age 5: " Mommy doesnt love me 'cause I didnt get the christmas gift that I wanted"

Age 16: " My dad sucks! I wanted that brand-new Mustang."

Age 35: " Dam-n foreigners are taking all of our jobs! Go Home! My jobs, my country, mine, mine, mine....." (Even though there are plenty of American crews flying for Cathy Pacific, VirginAtlantic, JAL....)

Get your fatass off the sofa and do something for your country! when was the last time you've made an effort to be an American?(except bitching, which is our nation's favorite passtime) When was the last time you earn your keep? Put a flag on your truck doesn't make you more American either.

 

[Sunnfun]

I want to get a job at Luftansa. I am American and yet they don't invite me for an interview.

And so do a lot of germans. Lufthansa has probably the toughest hiring standards in the whole of europe. They haven't hired ready-entries for years.

What a bunch of crap. We give people from other countires airline jobs here, so why does it not work they other way.

Learn the language and apply. I did the same. Still waiting for Delta to call me.

No, seriously, it's not really that much different: Get the right to work, get the license and learn the language and you can apply. Whether you get the job is a different story. Same as in the US.

 

[ProLine4]

Lufthansa has probably the toughest hiring standards in the whole of europe. They haven't hired ready-entries for years.

I was in class with a former German (now US) citizen that interviewed with LH. There are 3 interviews per candidate, one randomly conducted fully in German, and numerous written tests. All of this is well before your stick and rudder skills are evaluated...I don't know anything about that stage, because he didn't make it to that point.

 

[Brasgaucho]

How long is it taking the DOJ background check for you guys (non US citizen/green card holders)?

 

[Weasil]

no more than 2 weeks usually.