Where is FRANCE now?

[WrightAvia]

 

[WrightAvia]

100 years of French rule...

You'd think a little bit of Dien Bien Phu DEJA VOUS, wouldn't keep them Frenchies from helping an old ALLY!

 

[SteveR]

 

[datafox]

What are you puttz's talking about, anyway?

France giving aid to Algeria would be like the U.S. giving aid to Lebanon. At one time France "owned" Algeria, but the Alger's probably commited more terrorism in Paris than any other political/national group.

I assume your hatred from France comes from their war views, but remember this isn't a country of pacifists...but it was in their economic interest to keep Iraq as it was, as they and the Russians had the inner track to get significant amounts of oil for cheap prices.

The Iraqi war was a total farce. Saddam had little if anything to do with Islamic extremists, his country was suffering massive poverty from a decade of sancations. His weapons of mass destruction were all but non-existant and his secular views made other right-wing Arab countries hate him.

Now we are in the process of spending $75 billion for a useless war, money that could have fed every human being in Africa for one year.

Good job guys.

 

[ShawnC]

The Iraqi war was a total farce. Saddam had little if anything to do with Islamic extremists, his country was suffering massive poverty from a decade of sanctions.

Hmm those sanctions didn't hurt his palace production, nor his wealth collection. Hundreds of millions in Saddam's pockets, hmm me thinks the sanctions have nothing to do with the reason that his people are starving.

 

[WrightAvia]

Now we are in the process of spending $75 billion for a useless war, money that could have fed every human being in Africa for one year.

Let the AFRICANS eat FRENCH FRIES. The western world's population holds steady, yet the Africans continue to pump out suffering children in spite of themselves. Feed them and they will just breed future aids sufferers or war/druglords.

France giving aid to Algeria would be like the U.S. giving aid to Lebanon

Sorry dude, we didn't colonize Lebanon for 100 years. Algeria was a French colony. Apples and Oranges alert!!! Ding Ding Ding!

I assume your hatred from France comes from their war views

Hatred FROM France...try OF France, it aint a Onmi-bearing selection. Who said I hated the FRENCH? I just want to know how come they aint helping a former colony struck with a serious natural disaster...since they be so outspoken about world events and all.

 

[Huck]

I wish we could find three people - the guy who was to be next in line (when the US invaded) to be dangled into the plastic chipper, the guy whose wife was to be next to be gang-raped by the guards while he was forced to watch, and a parent of one of the 12 year old kids who was imprisoned for refusing government indoctrination. Ask them THEIR views about the invasion.

 

[nosewheel]

Back in 1987 I was forced to land a DC-3 in Algeria due to engine failure and as a result was held hostage and interogated "in French" for days at gunpoint. I did not eat or sleep in a bed for several days and was threatened to a long jail term for the inocent act of landing a sick aircraft in there country. I was also involved at another time (same year) when they kidnapped a few of our passengers just for the hell of it. We were not even in Algeria!!! As far as I'm concerned they are Terrorist's and as much as I have little respect for France at this time, I think the Algerian's themselves should sort out there own problems. I dont believe the Algerians have ever rushed out to help other countries in need of help.

 

[House_X]

I agree with datafox...we spent billions on a useless war, the US economy is in shambles...and now we have our sights on invading other countries as well...as if we could afford it.

If we (United States) could turn a fraction of our energy for hating France into turning this economy around, maybe we could get ourselves out of the worst slump since the Great Depression.

But I doubt that will happen, we'll keep "hatin", the economy will keep slumpin' and airlines will keep furloughin'...

It's called Karma...

House

 

[furloboy]

"I agree with datafox...we spent billions on a useless war, the US economy is in shambles...and now we have our sights on invading other countries as well...as if we could afford it.

If we (United States) could turn a fraction of our energy for hating France into turning this economy around, maybe we could get ourselves out of the worst slump since the Great Depression.

But I doubt that will happen, we'll keep "hatin", the economy will keep slumpin' and airlines will keep furloughin'...

It's called Karma..."

House_X,

Economy in a shambles? Yes, it's not what it was three or four years ago--but then it rarely ever is. Most countries would give their left nut to have an economy as "shambled-up" as ours. Shambled was the mid-80s when I paid 13% for a mortgage and employment was near double-digit. People dreamed about an economy like this back then.

Most of us don't hate France. We just recognize the French for being the ineffectucal, hypocritical, cry-baby "wannabes" that they are.

The airlines will be back, and the war was worth it in spades. Two years from now, barring another World Trade Center event, the economy will be rocketing.

You keep practicing your brand of Karma. The rest of us will keep getting up, leaning into the harness, and making things happen.

Good luck,
Furloboy

 

[House_X]

furloboy,

I think history will not be kind to GWB and the iraq war. As far as how bad the economy is...what part of the country do you live in? As far as I can see, people are out of work, companies are declaring bankruptcy and no growth is in sight. It doesn't matter what line of work your in...things have never been worse according to the record books.

I'll keep getting up, flying the slo-jet and waiting for my furlough papers...and when I get em' the drinks are on me and I''ll change my name to furloboy II.

House

 

[furloboy]

House--it's a date my slo-jetted friend! Second round's on me.

Then we'll have a good-natured discussion about which economic record books you've got on your shelf.

Loser buys rounds 3 thru 12.

Regards,
Furloboy I

 

[CesnaCaptn]

WrightAvia

"Sorry dude, we didn't colonize Lebanon for 100 years. Algeria was a French colony. Apples and Oranges alert!!! Ding Ding Ding!"

I'm not sure I get what your saying. Does that mean England has a responsibility towards Honk Kong now? Should London send aid to help with SARS?

I guess that's apples and oranges too.

 

[Typhoon1244]

We're all such experts on world politics, why are we flying airplanes for a living?

 

[350DRIVER]

The Iraqi war was a total farce. Saddam had little if anything to do with Islamic extremists, his country was suffering massive poverty from a decade of sancations. His weapons of mass destruction were all but non-existant and his secular views made other right-wing Arab countries hate him.

Couldn't have been said any better.... To date they have found "0" weapons of mass destruction, only good thing is 2004 will be here soon enough.

3 5 0

 

[Chas]

Karma?

isnt that Buddhist? Pleaee next time I fly a commercial airline let the crew be believers in a real religion- christianity, judaism . You dont happen to be friends with Richard Gere?
You know the guy who after 911 said lets "focus all this negative energy into a positive force " and got booed off the stage at a 911 rally are you ?

If Bill Clinton captured Bin Laden when he was ready to be handed over on a silver platter 3,000 americans would still be alive where was Karma then.

" we could have fed all of Africa with that mone y?? Yes 1 billion dollars to help the africans fight AIDS How about if they learned to keep there dicks in there pants . I gotta give africa money to fight aids???

"Economic sanctions caused poverty in Iraq" What about the 80
mansions Sadaam owns ?
Your views are so cockeyed its incredible .You guys make me wretch sometimes!

 

[surplus1]

Most of us don't hate France. We just recognize the French for being the ineffectucal, hypocritical, cry-baby "wannabes" that they are.

If I were a Frenchman I would respond to that bey saying: Most Frenchmen love Americans. We just recognize them for being the know it all, bombastic, arrogant, overbearing, gun-toting, militaristic, spoiled brat, cowboy bullies they are. What's more, since the only thing "French" about french fries is the undeducated imagination of Americans, who cares how many you don't eat."

But since I'm not a Frenchman, I guess I can't say that.

"Would ye had the gift He g'ee us to see ourselves as others see us"

 

[furloboy]

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"If I were a Frenchman I would respond to that bey saying: Most Frenchmen love Americans. We just recognize them for being the know it all, bombastic, arrogant, overbearing, gun-toting, militaristic, spoiled brat, cowboy bullies they are."
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You got it just right, as--just like the French--you forgot the "who saved our asses from the Germans twice" segment that belongs right after "cowboy bullies."

I know that the individual Frenchman isn't a bad person. Individuals worldwide--everywhere I've been--have by-and-large been fine people. But the French government seems to take a special pleasure in creating roadblocks for us.

Regards,
Furloboy

Loves French Fries as the tasty American creation that they are.

 

[frenchy]

wright avia

Why don't you get the facts before posting them, in algeria there are menbers from the firemen of southern france plus menbers of the disaster team.
You are the perfect type of moron that act without thinking and like to discriminate so it make you look better.
Also French people do not hate Americans as you claim, you forget that the medias are not the perfect source of unbiased infos when it come to polls.
In 1960 I should remind you that Kennedy was a supporter of Algeria independence and was supplying arms and military support from the shadow.
There are differences between politics and people's opinion.
And for last what does that have to do with flying????

 

[surplus1]

You got it just right, as--just like the French--you forgot the "who saved our asses from the Germans twice" segment that belongs right after "cowboy bullies."

Didn't forget, just didn't mention it --- in much the same way that you forgot to mention who saved "our" asses from the English, twice --- segment that belongs right before "ineffectual, hypocritcal".

I know that the individual Frenchman isn't a bad person. Individuals worldwide--everywhere I've been--have by-and-large been fine people. But the French government seems to take a special pleasure in creating roadblocks for us.

I know that the individual (and most) American(s) aren't bad people either; after all I are one. Same goes for places worldwide where I have been. But the American government seems to think that the freedom to disagree with its policies does not extend beyond the borders of these United States. France, and for that matter anyone else, has the same right to say "no" that the USA has to say "yes". Last time I checked France was not an "American possession" and has never been.

Neither a people or their government should be discredited simply because they happen to disagree with the US from time to time. Also, if we are going to bash those who disagree with us, then we should bash them all equally, not single out the French.

Like it or not, we live on a planet that does not revolve around the United States. As soon as we figure that out, things will be fine again. In France, many Frenchmen believe that France is not a part of Europe but that France IS Europe. In the USA too many Americans appear to believe that the USA is not a part of the world but that the US IS the world. Both are wrong.

I think we dislike the French because their arrogance is a duplicate of our own. Maybe if we both looked in the mirror we might see the similarity.

Fly safe.

 

[furloboy]

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Didn't forget, just didn't mention it --- in much the same way that you forgot to mention who saved "our" asses from the English, twice --- segment that belongs right before "ineffectual, hypocritcal".
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Didn't forget it. Didn't mention it because it wasn't the same thing. We likely would have eventually prevailed over the British regardless of French aid--including the French fleet at Yorktown. We were too big and the Brits had other problems elsewhere.

And it's worth remembering that we were in conflict with the French at varying levels of intensity both before and after the revolution--they were no great friends to us. Their help was calculated more to foil the English than to help us.

On the other hand, the French wouldn't have won WW I without our help, and they never, ever, ever would have thrown the Germans out following the Nazi triumph of 1940.

I don't think we dislike the French because their arrogance mirrors our own. After all, we're matchless. I think we dislike them because...well...they're French (TIC)?

Regards,
Furloboy

 

[Clearsky]

It is not a matter of France disagreeing with the United States that angers Americans. Many countries disagreed with the U.S including Canada, Germany, and Russia to name just a few. There is no such strong anger against these countries as there is against France. What angered Americans was France actively working to thwart the United States at every step of the road for it's own gain and then being hypocritical about their reasons.

France worked against us because it viewed the Iraq issue as a chance to regain some of it's former dominance and to become "the" leader of a new Europe based on an anti-United States stance. Their threatened veto at the U.N. was unprecedented in the history of that organization and quite possibly cost American lives by making a war inevitable. France was interested in France, it was not about peace. Furthermore, their unwillingness to remove the sactions after the war was over highlights France's true position. They only recently agreed to vote to remove the sactions. France did so because they realized the Germany, Russia, and the other Security Council members no longer backed France's position. France is no friend of the United States.

To the previous poster's comment:

"The world does not revolve around the United States"

Actually, it does to a large extent on many scales including economically, militarily, socially, and politically, which is why there is so much jealous and envy in countries such as France.

For those that want to bring up events that happened hundreds of years ago, then don't forget how the problems in the Middle East got started. It was European countries, including France, that after WWI partitioned and split up among themselves the territories of the Ottoman Empire along lines that guaranteed a century of instability in that region. Iraq is a case in point.

 

[Chas]

Self hating Americans - Take a hike !

The amount of self hating Americans on this forum is shocking. This bodes very poor for the future of our country . If you hate America so much surrender your citzenship and move out of the country . You "self hating Americans "ought to go somewhere else and get scholarships , financial aid , health care , medicine,food and shelter elsewhere . I would bet half of you have never even been out of this country , even on a vacation . Let me tell you where I have been :
France ,Italy, Jamaica, ST. Maarten, Trinidad, Venezuela , Mexico , Argentina ,Brazil ,Japan , Hong Kong, Korea, Australia, New Zealand,England and Canada.... I have seen whats out there and guess what, this is as good as it gets .

As Far as Americans being arrogant Take a trip to France or Canada and see how you are treated . Been there done that! The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence or is it the grass is always greener above the septic tank You tell me . !

 

[furloboy]

Good points...but I think this issue transcends flight hour totals. Surplus1 is a great American whose views differ (somewhat) from mine. But he likely has more flight time than anyone on this board.

And yes, emphatically, for all its faults this place is as good as it gets.

Regards to all,
Furloboy

 

[A Squared]

Chas,

The willingness to examine one's own actions or one's own country's actions objectively and be willing to be critical of them is not self hatred, it is called maturity. I don't hate myself, but I am certainly aware that there are some areas where I could improve. I've travelled to more than a few places outside the US myself, and I would agree that there's no-place I would rather live, however I don't make your irrational leap that because I like the US the best, then nothing the US does is above reproach. As humans we are expected to mature past the "anything I do is good because I am me" stage somewhere in early childhood. As countrymen, that level of maturity seems to arrive a lot later, or often never.

Here's hoping you reach that basic level of maturity soon.

regards

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Self hating Americans - Take a hike !

This bodes very poor for the future of our country...

...to say nothing of your grammar!

 

[WrightAvia]

Hey FRENCHY...

I never said one one thing about Americans hating the French nor French hating Americans. Nor did I say that FRENCH FRIES were an invention of the French.

Also French people do not hate Americans as you claim, you forget that the medias are not the perfect source of unbiased infos when it come to polls.

So colonialism is a GOOD THING?.....

In 1960 I should remind you that Kennedy was a supporter of Algeria independence and was supplying arms and military support from the shadow.

and for you last quote....

And for last what does that have to do with flying????

Who cares what it has to do with flying? Mmmmm... lets see. Let's talk flying. Mmmmm I like my yoke. It has funny looking switches on it. How big is your gear handle....mines real big and it has a red light bulb in it. Then there is the seat...does yours have some levers and cranks on it...hmmmm mine does too. What about wings....the plane I fly for a living has wings on it too? How bout yours. Then them tires... the plane I fly has black tires on it. With WRITING ON THE SIDE! How bout you? Your plane got writing on the side of the tires? How about them windows on the cockpit? got some windows on your plane? Hey while were at it...how come planes don't have windows in the back? eh? ever see windows on the back of planes? What kind of paint is on your plane? Mine is white. Some other colors too.
Do the planes your fly have batteries in them? Mine does. They are kind of square with some writing on them. Do your airplane batteries have writing on them? What about them control towers. They are tall and have lots of window in em. Do you think they have airconditioning in control towers? Yea, lots of windows. What about them runways. Lots of birds come and go around runways. You land your planes on runways where you live? I land my plane on a runway. It is long and kind of grey with white markings. I wonder what kind of paint that is they paint those markings on with? You guys have white markings on the them runways over by you? I like runways. How about them digits on them radios...I bet if you stood upside down and tried hard you could spell " shell oil " on them digital radios. You ever use those digital radios before? I like them.

Well it was nice to talk flying with you FRENCHY...come back when you want to debate things like how to spell "check list" or if thrust or power levers should have black plastic bakelite handles on them or not.

 

[Chas]

Hey Typhoon1244

Now we are picking on grammar ? I guess you have a Masters Degree. The only thing you have to say about my post is about Grammar??No wonder you have 930 posts. I guess you are working on some sort of record . Good luck in your pursuit . By the way get a life ! Chas

 

[frenchy]

wright avia
once again you are writing like a moron.
You started a post without checking anything and your reply was nothing but pathetic.
My advise to you is to get some help and stop writing some diffamatory post

 

[WrightAvia]

I guess since you asked for it Frenchy

I'll have to be an ugly American and post something totally derogatory towards French peoples...I hope one of my favorite actors, JEAN RENO can forgive me...but you have driven me to this terrible name calling and hate slinging conclusion...