When is the PinnaColaba list effective?

[Flyer1015]

Anyone know? Bloch didn't mention an effective date. And when will we get our single operating certificate? Pinnacle is far too shortstaffed to allow any Colgan/Mesaba upgrades. Kinda impossible when they are cancelling sim training for current Pinnacle pilots as a result of a lack of instructors. How long will this company operational fence last?

 

[CoATP]

Colgan/Mesaba will get the SOC. 9E already has its certificate for 200/900. So it's just when the asset transfer (oops "merger") of the jets from mesaba happens.

 

[bri5150]

O. Filling of Vacancies 1. A Pilot who holds an award for a Position as of February 18, 2011 shall continue to hold such awarded Position. Any Vacancy, Realignment, or Reduction Notice that closes prior to the announcement of the ISL will be awarded in accordance with the prior CBA as applied to the individual Airline. If the ISL is announced prior to the close of a notice, then that award will be in accordance with the JCBA as applied to all Airlines, collectively, and Pilots will be given at least ten (10) days to bid on any such notice utilizing the form described in paragraph O.4., below.


I am surprised you didn't see this in LOA 2 hiding just above your almighty DOH paragraph.

p.s. I am offended you didn't capitalize the "Mesaba" portion of Pinnacolaba, but you capitalized the "Colgan" part. :laugh:

 

[Flyer1015]

I am surprised you didn't see this in LOA 2 hiding just above your almighty DOH paragraph.

Do you honestly think on the next 9E vacancy they're going to have the manpower to put a Colgan or an XJ pilot through Pinnacle indoc - 1 week, systems 2 weeks, GFS - 1week, sims - 2 weeks to 3+ months, depends, type ride, OE, fed ride, etc. I got a wake up call for ya: we don't have the manpower to do any of that. Heck, the last vacancy that closed before the ISL doesn't even have upgrade classes until end August/early September.

 

[Flyer1015]

Colgan/Mesaba will get the SOC. 9E already has its certificate for 200/900. So it's just when the asset transfer (oops "merger") of the jets from mesaba happens.

Bingo. That's what I'm thinking. Until all RJs from Mesaba come to Pinnacle, 9e management will probably argue we are not a single operating certificate, therefore, ISL isn't effective yet. I just don't see 9E management allowing the plethora of movement instantly on the next vacancy.

 

[bri5150]

Do you honestly think on the next 9E vacancy they're going to have the manpower to put a Colgan or an XJ pilot through Pinnacle indoc - 1 week, systems 2 weeks, GFS - 1week, sims - 2 weeks to 3+ months, depends, type ride, OE, fed ride, etc. I got a wake up call for ya: we don't have the manpower to do any of that. Heck, the last vacancy that closed before the ISL doesn't even have upgrade classes until end August/early September.

It doesn't matter if they have the manpower or not. The next vacancies are open to all. It's in the contract they agreed to. If Mesaba's minimum isn't met before they open it to Colgan/Pinnacle then there will be issues.

 

[Flyer1015]

It doesn't matter if they have the manpower or not. The next vacancies are open to all. It's in the contract they agreed to. If Mesaba's minimum isn't met before they open it to Colgan/Pinnacle then there will be issues.

bri, what is the effective date of that ISL award? I don't see one. Only thing I see is a footnote that alludes to taking care of the XJ furloughee list issue (listed twice) before achieving single operating certificate. Until you can prove this ISL is effective immediately, I don't see the issues. The planes from XJ haven't even been moved to Pinnacle, nor have any XJ guys received any Pinnacle training. Until you're Pinnaclized, I don't see that movement starting yet.

 

[bri5150]

Has the ISL been announced?

 

[xjhawk]

so what you are saying is that the SLI is not effective. good, lets start over. If this sli followed alpa merger policy it would not have 2001 hires behind 2007/8 hires. un f'ing believable

 

[Flyer1015]

Has the ISL been announced?

"Announced" and "effective" aren't necessarily the same thing. Besides, it's amazing how quickly you want your guys to jump over to the 9E side of things before a single XJ plane is even moved here.

 

[Flyer1015]

so what you are saying is that the SLI is not effective. good, lets start over. If this sli followed alpa merger policy it would not have 2001 hires behind 2007/8 hires. un f'ing believable

Did you read read the conditions? There is a 60-day window for our merger committee members to address potential issues with this list. Some of that may include the MOU pilots and Pinnacle's extremel low fenced protections of 541 Captain slots that were taken at a time when our staffing was low and Pinnale had not hired/upgraded. I can see this being disputed, and we have 60 days for this to happen.

I wouldn't sing kumbaya just yet. This list stuff isn't over.

 

[Flyer1015]

so what you are saying is that the SLI is not effective. good, lets start over. If this sli followed alpa merger policy it would not have 2001 hires behind 2007/8 hires. un f'ing believable

I don't see any DOHs on the ISL. At what point exactly did this happen? Is this at group 3?

 

[higney85]

I am *personally* expecting a memo from mgmt this week on their plans going forward in regards to this list. There is movement of A/C and I know they have been working on the "training" to bring it all together. As I understand things it's a joint process among all three groups (no bragging points for any group) to get this process streamlined, done, and progressing along. I know 9E is short and from the sounds of it every regional is short currently.

 

[Flyer1015]

I am *personally* expecting a memo from mgmt this week on their plans going forward in regards to this list. There is movement of A/C and I know they have been working on the "training" to bring it all together. As I understand things it's a joint process among all three groups (no bragging points for any group) to get this process streamlined, done, and progressing along. I know 9E is short and from the sounds of it every regional is short currently.

We were short even after Summer 2008 when stopped hiring/upgrading. We didn't do a thing until Summer 2010, and are now dearly paying for that in terms of staffing ratio fences. Screw our incompetent management! We're gonna ultimately pay that price, not them.

 

[bri5150]

"Announced" and "effective" aren't necessarily the same thing. Besides, it's amazing how quickly you want your guys to jump over to the 9E side of things before a single XJ plane is even moved here.

Funny how the section you want to use in the LOA is cut and dry, but the other part that would be detrimental to you isn't. I don't see how you can read that paragraph and say anything other than the vacancies are open to all after the SLI is "announced". I am not saying the company can do it right now, but if they can't then something has to be worked out because they will be in breach of contract. They had 4 months to figure it out. you are right, announced and effective aren't the same. That's why the paragraph is saying that the effective date is when it is announced.