P-F-T, con AND pro
The_Russian said:
[A]ll you seem to do is rip me and my comrades up with your own propaganda. All I am trying to do is give you facts and all you can do in return is correct my spelling and grammar, then return to your bashing. Everythime you respond to my posts, you interpret my quotes as you would like to hear them said, not as they are . . . .
I'm merely trying to interject my comments around your streams of diatribe; the best of which were the ones previously cited.
As far as propaganda goes, please notice that I support my positions with information publicly available on the
Gulfstream Academy website. I also try to include a little common sense, e.g., warning people to be careful about what they sign, to get promises in writing, that something that sounds too good to be true probably is, etc.
With as much popularity as you have on this site I would expect you to be more open minded that you have been. There are others out there that support me and my efforts. I assume that they are afraid to respond on this forum because you will slice their posts into segments and alter as you see fit. I do not believe this is acceptable. I request that you listen to what some of us have to say instead of commenting on the small things that aren't important.
As far as facts and opinions to support Gulfstream P-F-T are concerned, allow me to present a pro-P-F-T argument:
-You get 250 hours of 121 time as a paid First Officer for Gulfstream International Airlines.
-You get 250 hours of turbine SIC time.
-You get the possibility of an interview at Gulfstream for a full-time job with good LORs. More likely is the possibilty of an interview with Pinnacle.
-You might be able to jump-start your professional aviation career and avoid the drudgery of flight instructing, 135 night freight in dilapidated Lances, Grand Canyon tours in ancient Stationaires, the unfairness of having to work for years for lousy companies for lousy pay, and having to eat TV dinners for one's main meal. (I wasn't that into Ramen. I know of others who drove freight and flew ditch tours.)
-Pronouncements of being shunned by your peers and being blackballed at the board interview are speculative, at best.
How is that for the other side, Russian?
I am old-school. I do not believe in purchasing any kind of a job. I do not believe that any job is worth purchasing. Sorry, Russian, as long as Gulfstream is paying you even $8 per hour for FO work, that is employment. I do not believe in paying large amounts of money for something where my chances are not assured. If I wanted to do that, I'd go to Vegas. I've had three careers and started at the beginning at all three. I have always believed that loyalty and hard work eventually will provide its rewards.
I believe that obtaining a "job" via P-F-T gets you off on the wrong foot with your employer. Your employer will think that he can take advantage of you in other ways after he sees you're willing to buy a job from him. Having been taken advantage of by many employers in my life, that is something I cannot abide. I don't know how old you are, Russian, but I suspect that you are much younger than me. Not wanting to be taken advantage of by an employer should become apparent to you as you get older. Not undercutting your peers is also important.
Given time, your qualifications should be good enough to get you in the door without having to pay for the job. In line with that, buying a job is detrimental to you, personally.
I cannot recall one instance where you have countered my post with a factual argument.
See link to Gulfstream Academy, above.
Also see this link to TAB Express.
I request that in return you open up a little, while listening to what I'm saying.
I believe that I have all along. See my brief pro and con analysis of P-F-T, above.
As far as your presentation of facts, please provide.
and that will be a Bank write off, or they can send me those bills to my cementary lot.
