What's the skinny on hiring conferences?

[Wiskey Driver]

Swerpipe:

Again, how many black students do you see enrolled in flight school? And how many black pilots do you see flying for the majors? See a connection?

I've got no problem with a networking program which places an emphasis on minorities. It's a free country. What I do have a problem with is hiring practices which turn away better qualified white applicants for having the wrong color of skin.

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Like I said you should attend prior to commenting. You would then learn of the number of minorities out there. Your comments seem to the same as with many and when only WHITE males were being interviewed and hired you most likely didn't see the problem, you don't see the problems that exists in today's society.

Now as for you last sentence do you think that you are better qualified than I am based on your skin color??? I would almost bet not, but If you want to go this route then here you go over 3500tt 2800me 2000turbine ATP 4yr airline experience and one yr as 135turbine capt. Shall I continue???

Wake up my friend, it's an unfair world run by unfair people and practices and as long as we continue to cling to RACE being a dividing factor we will never heal the wounds of the past but most certainly destine to repeat them...

WD.

 

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Like I said you should attend prior to commenting. You would then learn of the number of minorities out there. Your comments seem to the same as with many and when only WHITE males were being interviewed and hired you most likely didn't see the problem, you don't see the problems that exists in today's society.

Well of course I'd see a lot of minorities at an OBAP convention. The issue is how many black students are training to become airline pilots compared to white students. Ask yourself why mostly white males were being interviewed? Did that have anything to do with the fact that the vast majority of people training to become airline pilots are white males?

I don't care what race is being interviewed/hired at the airlines, as long as the person with the best qualifications is hired.

Now as for you last sentence do you think that you are better qualified than I am based on your skin color??? I would almost bet not, but If you want to go this route then here you go over 3500tt 2800me 2000turbine ATP 4yr airline experience and one yr as 135turbine capt. Shall I continue???

Oh brother, I'm not going to engage in a pissing contest with you. Anyway, you didn't read my statement closely. I posed a hypothetical situation where a white pilot is better qualified than a black pilot.

Btw, you've beat me on the hours. I have none, and plan to make money in patent law, while building multi hours on the side. To each his own.

Wake up my friend, it's an unfair world run by unfair people and practices and as long as we continue to cling to RACE being a dividing factor we will never heal the wounds of the past but most certainly destine to repeat them...

WD.

Isn't racial preference using race as a dividing factor, which we agree is bad?

What's so unfair about the world of aviation? I assume you feel that the fact that minority pilots are underrepresented is unfair. Do you feel the same way about the lack of whites on professional sports teams? Or the lack of caucasian black history professors?

What barriers exist for minority pilots, in particular? Financial barriers? Well, I think we both know that there are plenty of starving white pilots out there, so that's not much of an argument. Networking barriers? Why would a minority pilot have difficulty developing friendships with whites? You can't possibly think that there are that many bigotted pilots out there. Family barriers? Yeah, this is about the only barrier I can think of. Of course, the best way to defeat this isn't to give blanket preferences to minorities, but to any applicant who does not have family in that particular airline.

 

[SFR]

Well cry me a river!!!! Who cares if 700 out of 70,000 are black, purple, etc. I don't give a sheet. Who cares about diversification anyway. I am a white male and consider myself a minority. Why, well how many other SFRs are out there? None! I am the only one with my name that lives in Georgia and was born in Ohio in 1976, that has a mother named Sandy, and father that lives in Alabama. If you can find someone to match all that besides me, then I am not a minority. Until then you bet I am, everyone is. I find it rediculous that people use skin/race to decide if a person is a minority or not. Why not use height while we are at it?

Thats it, no more people under 5'9". Sorry folks!!! You better for form OSAP (Organization of Short Airline pilots).

I can come up with thousands of examples.

Get real and get qualified. BTW I sent an application to a major that is hiring right now using a friends email/name (he is not involved with aviation)... I put minority...and sure enough.. the phone rang a month later.

I on the otherhand am still waiting.... little do they know they had a fake app. Would that stand up in court? Who knows....maybe I could make a campaign. Oh well....

Fly safe!!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

What barriers exist for minority pilots, in particular? Financial barriers? Well, I think we both know that there are plenty of starving white pilots out there, so that's not much of an argument. Networking barriers? Why would a minority pilot have difficulty developing friendships with whites? You can't possibly think that there are that many bigotted pilots out there. Family barriers? Yeah, this is about the only barrier I can think of. Of course, the best way to defeat this isn't to give blanket preferences to minorities, but to any applicant who does not have family in that particular airline.

There are plenty of barriers that you being on the outside just don't see. I don't say this to be mean but the truth remains I am on the inside looking around in here and you are outside looking in. Now for friendships I HELP ANY WHO ASK!! At my carrier I have helped many people, white, black, asian it really didn't matter to me what nationality they were they reached out for help and I was in a position to give it... As for biggoted pilots I can say that I never have come across one or atleast one who would admit it. You make mention of pro sports and the number of minority athletes but you seem to have left out baseball which is about 70/30 and the number of minority baseball players in the majors and minors is decreasing. Hockey well that's more like 99/1 but the over all fact is here if you are going to chose pro sports lets not leave out certain aspects that help to make your point LETS BE FAIR!!!!

WD.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Get real and get qualified. BTW I sent an application to a major that is hiring right now using a friends email/name (he is not involved with aviation)... I put minority...and sure enough.. the phone rang a month later.

I on the otherhand am still waiting.... little do they know they had a fake app. Would that stand up in court? Who knows....maybe I could make a campaign. Oh well....

Fly safe!!

SFR,

I am not going to get into this with you for a couple of reasons 1st your argument doesn't make sense at all!!! I can't speak for the next guy but I sure as he11 couldn't follow your point.

2nd. and most important you are dishonest by your own admission. No you don't deserve the job based on the fact that you LIED ON YOUR APPLICATION!!! Why?? because the industry as a whole is flawed and YOU feel discriminated against!! Not a real good feeling is it???????????????

WD.

 

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There are plenty of barriers that you being on the outside just don't see. I don't say this to be mean but the truth remains I am on the inside looking around in here and you are outside looking in. Now for friendships I HELP ANY WHO ASK!! At my carrier I have helped many people, white, black, asian it really didn't matter to me what nationality they were they reached out for help and I was in a position to give it... As for biggoted pilots I can say that I never have come across one or atleast one who would admit it. You make mention of pro sports and the number of minority athletes but you seem to have left out baseball which is about 70/30 and the number of minority baseball players in the majors and minors is decreasing. Hockey well that's more like 99/1 but the over all fact is here if you are going to chose pro sports lets not leave out certain aspects that help to make your point LETS BE FAIR!!!!

WD.

Well, why don't you mention some of those barriers I don't see. I thought I covered the major barriers. You've got to make a case for why minority pilots deserve an advantage over white pilots.

I didn't need to bring up hockey or baseball to make my point. My point was that nobody cries "racism!" when white guys get the shaft (basketball, football, etc). Do you feel that racism/discrimination is the cause of hockey's racial gap? If you do, then with all due respect (and I mean that), there's probably no point in us arguing any further.

 

[SFR]

Whiskey Driver,

What are you talking about? Lied on the app? Duh, the one I lied on is the one that they invited for an interview!!!

Stupid...huh?

Well it proved my point that since I marked the minority box that my alter-ego/fake app got called for an interview. Oh, BTW the fake app also had one less type rating because I did not want them to associate it with me in the future. If that happened.

Facts:

I sent in an app. With my credentials, Never heard a thing yet!

Fact #2:

I sent in an app. With a friends email/fake name. I said I was a minority. Exact same flight time (within 50 hours, which the fake had less). One less type rating.

Fact#3: Fake app got an interview invite!

HAHA..... So you say that I should not get called because I lied on my app? Well, the one that I lied about got the call. My real app is all truth and I have not heard a thing.

Reality check....It happens....

 

[Redtailer]

hmmm

Just for comparison according to some on this board

AOPA - Anyone can join, professional organization.
Air Inc - Anyone can join, networking organization.
99's - Women can join, networking organization and outreach
OBAP - Objective is to get minorties hired on at lower times?

Uh, no.

WD has it right. Unless you know what the organization is about please don't say anything about it. It does nothing except to perpetuate falicies about a great organization.

I challenge anyone here who feels like OBAP is a racist organization or does nothing except to undercut white males in the hiring process, to come to the annual convention this week in Seattle. EVERYONE is welcome and is treated equally. It's just like Air Inc. except with a lot fewer pilots and more social events.

If you are not willing to at least do that then you really need not say anything until you know what it is you are talking about.

Fact is this, OBAP is about networking, mentoring, and helping aspiring pilots start an aviation career.

Lastly, just for the record there are several flight schools out there that are majority black programs. Several of which are at HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and University) schools. So there is a pipeline of training.

Later.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

RedTail,

Ever get the feeling that no matter what you say it always seems that it's falling on deaf ears. Thanks for the support and hope to see you in SEA.

I am out of this non constructive debate...

WD.

 

[Redtailer]

Oookkk

Gee, nice Ty.. I see you're resorting to your same OLD tactics: if you can't support your point just call a person names. Ahh, such brilliance.

 

[getfurloaded]

 

[getfurloaded]

this thread is gay

Please close this rediculous pandoras box that was opened yesturday.

This could go forever.

Noone will ever agree on the race issues, and flagrant misuse and abuse of affirmative action. There will never be an equal number of blacks and whites, women and men as pilots. Just as there arent in every other field. Lets just all agree that the system sucks and if some a-hole decides to not hire you cause you are a woman or black he should be punished, not the rest of us all and the entire system!!!

Cant we all just get along. Ebony and ivory, hand in hand.

Traaah Laaa laaa Kumb-by-yah

Thank you

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Oookkk

Gee, nice Ty.. I see you're resorting to your same OLD tactics: if you can't support your point just call a person names. Ahh, such brilliance.

Sorry, RedTail (as in howler monkey) I am going to defer to Murphy's Rule here. . . . "Never argue with a fool; people might not know the difference".

If anyone here wants to know the difference, a quick search of your responses in previous threads will leave little doubt.

Have yourself a nice day. . . . somewhere else.

 

[DarnNearaJet]

My 2 cents?

There are not enough whites on NBA teams. I want to play for the NBA. I am going to sue. See you in court.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

I think this is pretty simple... I have only one question: If my daughter (who is white) joined the OBAP, would they help her network and find employment? If yes, then the only source of contention is the name (and get over it!). If they would exclude her based on her skin color only, then it is a rascist organization, and no amount of justifying will make it otherwise. Pretty simple...What's the answer guys?