What's the skinny on hiring conferences?

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[getfurloaded]

this thread is gay

Please close this rediculous pandoras box that was opened yesturday.

This could go forever.

Noone will ever agree on the race issues, and flagrant misuse and abuse of affirmative action. There will never be an equal number of blacks and whites, women and men as pilots. Just as there arent in every other field. Lets just all agree that the system sucks and if some a-hole decides to not hire you cause you are a woman or black he should be punished, not the rest of us all and the entire system!!!

Cant we all just get along. Ebony and ivory, hand in hand.

Traaah Laaa laaa Kumb-by-yah

Thank you

 

[Ty Webb]

Re: Oookkk

Gee, nice Ty.. I see you're resorting to your same OLD tactics: if you can't support your point just call a person names. Ahh, such brilliance.

Sorry, RedTail (as in howler monkey) I am going to defer to Murphy's Rule here. . . . "Never argue with a fool; people might not know the difference".

If anyone here wants to know the difference, a quick search of your responses in previous threads will leave little doubt.

Have yourself a nice day. . . . somewhere else.

 

[DarnNearaJet]

My 2 cents?

There are not enough whites on NBA teams. I want to play for the NBA. I am going to sue. See you in court.

 

[UpNDownGuy]

I think this is pretty simple... I have only one question: If my daughter (who is white) joined the OBAP, would they help her network and find employment? If yes, then the only source of contention is the name (and get over it!). If they would exclude her based on her skin color only, then it is a rascist organization, and no amount of justifying will make it otherwise. Pretty simple...What's the answer guys?

 

[Redtailer]

Upndownguy:

To anwswer your question yes she may join and would be afforded all of the opportunities as everyone else.. There are members of every race and ethnicity including white.


Hope that helps..

 

[UpNDownGuy]

[To anwswer your question yes she may join and would be afforded all of the opportunities as everyone else.. There are members of every race and ethnicity including white.]

So what's the problem guys? If I understand this whole thing correctly, the OBAP is just an organization that has the distinction of allowing black airline pilots to join????? That should be the case with ALL airpline pilot organizations. Did I miss a meeting of the KKKAP or what?

 

[secks]

The argument is over affirmative action, not the OBAP.

 

[skirt]

I think this is pretty simple... I have only one question: If my daughter (who is white) joined the OBAP, would they help her network and find employment? If yes, then the only source of contention is the name (and get over it!). If they would exclude her based on her skin color only, then it is a rascist organization, and no amount of justifying will make it otherwise. Pretty simple...What's the answer guys?

Since I'm white and female (though a bit more homely looking than my avatar) and an OBAP member, I guess I should answer. My personal experience is that the group is very supportive of anyone who joins, regardless of skin color. Wouldn't it be hypocritical to be anything other than supportive? The organization is very open and welcoming, and so is Women in Aviation (WAI).

Since the resources for WAI would overlap the resources for OBAP, your daughter would probably save some money by joining only WAI and not OBAP, but she could join both if she wanted.

While the newsletters and conventions for these organizations clearly are geared toward blacks or women, many of topics are just as applicable to everyone. It is not an unwise investment for anyone to get involved. You might actually learn something, expand your horizons or make some great friends. If you attend a convention and are are not black or female, you will be in the minority, but that's no big deal, nobody cares. Heck we know what it is like to be in the minority, so why would we make a big fuss about it? I don't make a fuss about anything.

Skirt

 

[AlbieF15]

A little levity, please...

This actually happened to me a few months ago...

(Me-Prepping an Jetblue hopeful)-"One thing you need to know is Jetblue probably won't look like your current squadron--it is much more mulit-ethnic and mutli-cultural...."

(My client) "Well good....cause I'm black..."

(Me)..."Oh...um....well....um.....I guess we can skip the diversity question!"

Anyway...this guy rocked, did well, and got hired,...and I had to laugh at the fact when I was on the phone I was interviewing a fellow PILOT...and that was ALL. If I'd been hiring on phone interviews only, he'd have been a shoe-in anyway. I didn't know until I had to pull my foot out of my mouth my former military P-3 driver was African American. My experience in the military has also been that I really just see a Lt, Captain, or whatever when I am flying with a black aviator--the color issue quickly becomes non-issue and I care more about how this guy actually flys his fighter. I wish it was the same way for all of us in other matters outside the military.

For what its worth...I'd have joined the association of beer swilling lesbian dwarfs (thanks Flipper!) if it would have helped me get an interview somewhere. I suggest you support every organization you can find out there that helps you network and develop your professional credentials.

Play nice....,

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Re: A little levity, please...

For what its worth...I'd have joined the association of beer swilling lesbian dwarfs (thanks Flipper!) if it would have helped me get an interview somewhere. Play nice....,

Do you have an address for them?

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Re: A little levity, please...

This actually happened to me a few months ago...

(Me-Prepping an Jetblue hopeful)-"One thing you need to know is Jetblue probably won't look like your current squadron--it is much more mulit-ethnic and mutli-cultural...."

(My client) "Well good....cause I'm black..."

(Me)..."Oh...um....well....um.....I guess we can skip the diversity question!"

Anyway...this guy rocked, did well, and got hired,...and I had to laugh at the fact when I was on the phone I was interviewing a fellow PILOT...and that was ALL. If I'd been hiring on phone interviews only, he'd have been a shoe-in anyway. I didn't know until I had to pull my foot out of my mouth my former military P-3 driver was African American. My experience in the military has also been that I really just see a Lt, Captain, or whatever when I am flying with a black aviator--the color issue quickly becomes non-issue and I care more about how this guy actually flys his fighter. I wish it was the same way for all of us in other matters outside the military.

For what its worth...I'd have joined the association of beer swilling lesbian dwarfs (thanks Flipper!) if it would have helped me get an interview somewhere. I suggest you support every organization you can find out there that helps you network and develop your professional credentials.

Play nice....,

I was all done with this thread until I read you very intelligent post, nice job AlbieF15...

WD.

 

[b757driver]

Interesting posts on both sides.

As someone who has lived and worked in both the US and overseas and with people of many races (I myself am a minority under the auspices of airline hiring), I make the following observations based on lots of experience:

1. The US is the only country in the world to have any kind of affirmative action - yet there are plenty of minorities in the rest of the world.

2. I have @ first hand, seen a minority who got hired by a major (several years ago) solely because of connections and the color of his skin. He was no where near qualified for the job in terms of both hours, experience etc. He was a single-engine CFI and not a particulary good one at that, yet he was able to circumvent all the hiring mins - he did not even have any jet time and was well under 2000 hrs TT. So, someone please explain how this is considered "fair" or "equal opportunity" employment?

3. America has a tendency in history of making "right" what it has done wrong in the past, by going to the other extreme. I have noticed this in several areas including outside of aviation. Reverse discrimination is not the answer. The real answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

4. Let's face it, the whole system of selection and hiring is a crap shoot. I was brought up to believe that hard work, perserverance and education were the keys to getting ahead. Unfortunately, we sometimes get it wrong. Whatever happened to hiring on one's merit? I would imagine many a fine candidate has been passed over not because of ability and that they would make a good employee but because of nepotism, the old boys network, LORs, affirmative action, quotas to fill etc etc. These are ALL biases and have absolutely nothing to do with ability.

5. After 5 layoffs in 12 years, and presently the longest unemployment period in my career, I feel very much like a minority (yes, I know there are another 8,000+ like me out there) but is there an organization to give me any assistance or extra consideration for hiring? I don't think so. I have to deal with it whether I like it or not.

(OUAPWDNGSC)-Organization of Unemployed Airline Pilots Who Do Not Get Special Consideration
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