What's the dumbest thing a crew has ever asked or requested?

[ShutupandFly]

Is it your interpretation that the last sentence permits a Dispatcher to deviate from any FAR?

Yes. It is my interpretation that a dispacher has the responsibility to deviate from any FAR he/she deems nessesary to ensure safety of flight. Such as diverting an aircraft to an airport not listed in the c70 page if its the best option.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Yes. It is my interpretation that a dispacher has the responsibility to deviate from any FAR he/she deems nessesary to ensure safety of flight. Such as diverting an aircraft to an airport not listed in the c70 page if its the best option.

'Kay.

Not to get too "chicken or egg" here, but what if the PIC elects to NOT go to that airport? At some point we're gonna get to the point where a single individual is going to be accountable for where and why the aircraft ended up where it did. Something about "final authority".

It may sound petty (I speak fluent "petty"!) but it's a big deal right now in the industry. There are a lot of pilots concerned about the erosion of "captain's authority". In at least one case, an airline (a legacy carrier) published FAR 121.535 (still waiting for that post!) in their FOM, but deleted two words: "...without limitation...". ALPA had to step in and have the two words in the actual FAR re-instated into the manual.

We perceive it as encroachment. Whether that's an accurate perception is the stuff that fills pilot Forums.

 

[WarnerNo13]

Wu, your crap makes no sense. Why would your dispatcher declare emergency because you are not talking to him/her. I already said that's not what we do. You are talking to the ATC. However, from time to time, your dispatcher may pass along information that may be pertinent to the safety of your flight and it is in your best interest to listen. Maybe it's a security issue or any threats to your flight. Someday you will realize if you want to work for an airline that has transcons/international you might appreciate the update on the changed conditions, but hopefully you will stay on the B1900. Now often, as a dispatcher, we get a call from center saying you are not talking to them in New York airspace enroute to EWR. That's a problem. Now how it happened I don't want to know, but it happens a lot, and for that, we have to drop everything that we are doing and try to establish contact with you. That's what we do tool. or "Hey help! we are over the gulf and we lost our center freq!"

I just recently had a crew fly through the entire ZKC NORAD. Guess who ATC was hounding to get through to this crew? Yours truly. After about 5 ACARS messages and 4 calls from ATC, we were one step away from jets being launched. When they arrived at their destination, they finally read my ACARS messages. When the captain called me I asked him what was up. They were too busy those 35 minutes cruising ZKC at FL380 with no radio contact, to read and acknowledge my messages. Not exactly said, but one of the dumbest things I've ever seen a crew do. In this case I was the one answering for the crew's lack of situational awareness.

 

[405]

We should drop this thread and start a new one called "What the dumbest thing MANAGEMENT has done or asked lately?"

I think this would be much more appropriate the way this industry is now.

 

[ShutupandFly]

let me remind you of your original comment that merited my posting of the far. I was not trying to take anything away from pilots, just educating you on a FAR you were not aware of. No need to thank me, I'ts my job.

Dispatchers, schedulers, rampers, mechanics, etc are there to help the pilots execute the mission. The FAR's even spell that relationship out in clear, unambiguous language. The PIC is allowed to deviate from any FAR to prevent something icky happening to the passengers or aircraft. I'm not familiar with a similar FAR regarding dispatchers, mechanics, (both of whom are also FAA certificated), or rampers that allow such unfettered discretion.

 

[Mr Wu]

So, you acknowledge that you declaring an emergency and being unable to contact the crew is BS so you use my post to illustrate how ATC may not be able to contact us and will ask you to help. Just like Occam's razor says, no matter who declares the emergency the guy in the left seat has the last say in what happens with the flight regardless of what they told you at Sheffield.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Mines bigger than all of yours!!! THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC THREADS ON FI....ITS A NO WIN!!!!!

 

[CA1900]

Mines bigger than all of yours!!! THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC THREADS ON FI....ITS A NO WIN!!!!!

Yep:

Arguing on the Internet

 

[bgaviator]

the dumbest thing? just one?

Well, I have crews quite frequently want to change their alternate because it's not where the owners want to go in the even of a diversion...
#1. They aren't obligated to go to their listed alternate.
#2. I don't pick alts. based on where the owners want to go. I'm here for the safety of the flight.

Stupid, stupid, stupid!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Mines bigger than all of yours!!! THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST PATHETIC THREADS ON FI....ITS A NO WIN!!!!!

WRONG!!!!!

Mine is bigger!!!!


You are right about this thread, however.


AF

 

[homerjdispatch]

WRONG!!!!!

Mine is bigger!!!!


You are right about this thread, however.


AF

Well Im not one to brag, but thats not what I heard

 

[JAFI]

I know there are some "winner" Captains out there. I flew with some of them.

My most memorable conversation with a Dispatcher was when he suggested I could get around the level 4 and 5 thunderstorms by going through the level three's. I asked if he ever flew through a level three thunderstorm. He said no. I suggested he come on down to the gate and he could ride with us through the level three's. He did not show up and we did not depart until the TR's passed.

 

[clr4theapch]

Enough Of This Lame A$$ Thread

How long is this going to continue....we all run into stupid situation and poor decesions made.....get over it, and work with each other...try walking in the others shoes and practice some leadership skills and talk things out when there is a question...

 

[badlander45]

WE ARE NO MORE OR LESS IMPORTAMT THAN YOU PILOTS

Which is exactly the point that I am making!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its just that some of you are hung up on this authority to declare an emergency thing!

Really.... I can do my job without any dispatchers, can you do yours without any pilots?

 

[ArcticFlier]

Well Im not one to brag, but thats not what I heard

Heard what? That you weren't right about this thread? :smash:



AF