Whats left of your USAir is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for u.

[hmmm]

I just stated I was not against ALPA.

I'd rather have ALPA where I am unless ALPA whether it be the MEC or organization would mess up my perceived career.

And in this situation at USAIR I and the person I am associated with that is there feel ALPA OUT is the only way DOH can be fixed and that is more significant than anything that ALPA could ever do for them and that is this Aho les opinion and am entitled to it.

 

[Deadalus]

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

ALPA was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting ALPA out now....

....than anything ALPA can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to ALPA is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out ALPA now to at least get your seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that ALPA could ever do for you now that would equal voting ALPA out and subsequently getting your seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

You're seniority back where it should be? If you want to look at someone that's self serving with no integrity go look in the mirror. The only pilots that think the arbitration was unfair is a bunch of scumbag East pilots. I went from a 7 year upgrade at a good company to leaving. I hope it goes to a second arbitration where you'll find yourself stapled to the bottom of the list, where you belong.

 

[becket]

USAPA will be the final nail in the East Coffin. Dust off those logbooks.

 

[hmmm]

Integrity?

How is D.O.H anything less than it should be.

I would think the ones with integrity would be the ones who want D.O.H.

 

[steveg]

Don't think it will matter much for the east guys. I'm looking hard right now and am talking to a bunch of people. They are ALL laughing at the fools out east and will NEVER hire them. Funny, but revisionist history and self-entitlement are not attitudes that carry over very well to a new employer. If you are a usapa supporter then don't even worry about dusting off your log book. Won't do you any good.

 

[pipe]

The sad thing about this whole USAPA issue, is the fact that ALPA National did not due away with the retirement or the seniority or the pay.

You know, I heard this with TWA/AA. You're right, but when ALPA doesn't lift a finger to prevent a wrong, they gotta take some blame.

They're the plainclothes cop in the room who got scared and watched the murder without ever pulling out their weapon. You don't get to claim innocence after that.

PIPE

 

[Prog 2/2]

I just stated I was not against ALPA.

I'd rather have ALPA where I am unless ALPA whether it be the MEC or organization would mess up my perceived career.

And in this situation at USAIR I and the person I am associated with that is there feel ALPA OUT is the only way DOH can be fixed and that is more significant than anything that ALPA could ever do for them and that is this Aho les opinion and am entitled to it.

Lemme guess, you're a product of the public school system?

Am I right?

 

[hmmm]

You know, I heard this with TWA/AA. You're right, but when ALPA doesn't lift a finger to prevent a wrong, they gotta take some blame.

They're the plainclothes cop in the room who got scared and watched the murder without ever pulling out their weapon. You don't get to claim innocence after that.

PIPE

Exactly, the MEC, ALPA national or whatever, didn't do anythng to stop it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Exactly, the MEC, ALPA national or whatever, didn't do anythng to stop it.

Sounds good... and real easy to say....

however.... how does "whatever" stop it?

 

[Prog 2/2]

You know, I heard this with TWA/AA. You're right, but when ALPA doesn't lift a finger to prevent a wrong, they gotta take some blame.

They're the plainclothes cop in the room who got scared and watched the murder without ever pulling out their weapon. You don't get to claim innocence after that.

PIPE

Sorry.

There isn't any "blame" to be apportioned here.

The east got negotiation, mediation, and arbitration; exacly as the merger policy called for.

Now they don't like the outcome, and someone needs to pay.

Must be ALPA at fault, right?

It couldn't be that they had an unreasonable expectation, that the arbitration panel recognized, of stapling the majority of west pilots, now could it?

Naw that can't be it.

It must be ALPA.

 

[steveg]

And stop what? Who says it's unfair? What exactly was ALPA supposed to "Stop"?

 

[Prog 2/2]

Don't think it will matter much for the east guys. I'm looking hard right now and am talking to a bunch of people. They are ALL laughing at the fools out east and will NEVER hire them.

You and I must be talking to the same people.

Good luck with the search.

604/804

 

[steveg]

I was TWA, I saw ALPA screw up. For all of you buying the usapa crud and jumping into the fray, think before you leap. All this usapa stuff has nothing to do with ALPA. It's a land grab pure and simple. usapa has done a great job turning this into a referendum on ALPA (who I hate as much as anyone else) when in fact it has NOTHING to do with ALPA. usapa is simply another attempt to screw the AWA pilots.

 

[Caspian27]

It appears the USAPA guys have completely lost it. They'll get thier own union and the big unknown.

Interesting how the USAPA guys are justifying thier defection with everything against ALPA. Of course they don't want to talk about Nic, agreeing to binding Arbitration, etc.... As long as they can hate ALPA, justified or not... (and ALPA has done some wrong, but again... they only want to talk about that and not Nic)

Good luck, all you've got is yourselves... and whatever funds 2000 guys can scrape together.. Sounds good... and real easy to say....


however.... how does "whatever" stop it?

Rez,

I agree with you that East is going down the wrong path, and they should accept the "binding arbitration" that they agreed to, but:

What are you trying to say?!


I never understand your posts.....

 

[Hpilot]

Don't think it will matter much for the east guys. I'm looking hard right now and am talking to a bunch of people. They are ALL laughing at the fools out east and will NEVER hire them. Funny, but revisionist history and self-entitlement are not attitudes that carry over very well to a new employer. If you are a usapa supporter then don't even worry about dusting off your log book. Won't do you any good.

Exactly. I'm at a good company now and will make sure none of those scum sucking pigs ever gets hired here. On the way to the interview the captain whose flight I was jumpseating on was like:"Wait a second, are you east or west US? You're ex Am West, cool you can ride on us." Karma rules. Those A-holes will get it in the end.