Whats left of your USAir is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for u.

[hmmm]

Whats left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for u.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

ALPA was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting ALPA out now....

....than anything ALPA can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to ALPA is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out ALPA now to at least get your seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that ALPA could ever do for you now that would equal voting ALPA out and subsequently getting your seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

 

[Cardinal]

ALPA and the unity therein built your "USAir career."

 

[get2flyin]

Um, wow. Looks like somebody needs a hug...

Pretty sad. Enough said.

 

[hmmm]

And then they destroyed it with indifference and blowing smoke.

 

[get2flyin]

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

(center drivel removed for brevity)

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

I'm not aware that the West pilots owe YOU anything.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It appears the USAPA guys have completely lost it. They'll get thier own union and the big unknown.

Interesting how the USAPA guys are justifying thier defection with everything against ALPA. Of course they don't want to talk about Nic, agreeing to binding Arbitration, etc.... As long as they can hate ALPA, justified or not... (and ALPA has done some wrong, but again... they only want to talk about that and not Nic)

Good luck, all you've got is yourselves... and whatever funds 2000 guys can scrape together..

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA and the unity therein built your "USAir career."

He doesn't work for USAir. He works for UAL. I wonder if he launched into this anti-ALPA diatribe when they pinned his "half-wings" on at the fancy dinner?

 

[iflyhigh]

The sad thing about this whole USAPA issue, is the fact that ALPA National did not due away with the retirement or the seniority or the pay.

At the end of the day, each ALPA carrier votes their MEC in. IF the MEC ends up in bed with management, than it is up to the pilot group to get them out of office. Each airline MEC appoints pilots from their carrier to staff the negiotiation meeting, the merger committee and so on.

If the pilot group does not like the way the appointees are performing, it is up to them to hold MEC accountable and again push very hard to get them removed. We have seen this at many carriers.

Just like UAL and DAL, their is nothing that ALPA National could of done to save the pensions at US Airways, other than asking Mr. Wolf, former CEO, for some of his serverance package back or even the $45 million or so he pocketed from the failed UAL/US Airways buyout. The CEO's at these companies were going to get rid of the pension one way or another. Shoot UAL proved this when they tried to save it the first round of negiotiations and subsequential lost in the second round.

I know the US Airways East guys are tired of merger and tired taking SH?T. But its not the West guys' fault. The West pilot did not want this merger anymore than the East guys. Yes, it would have been nice to see US Airways East left on its own, but unforunately that did not happen.

Its time to move forward. Its hard to forget the past and management is counting on this. Its like when your child messes up, you tell learn from it and move on. You can't change the past, but you can learn from the mistake and effect the future.

Time will only tell if the US Airways East guys can move forward. For right now, they are stuck in the past and until they learn and move on, US Airways as a whole probably experience more problems and start heading toward BK 3.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

This is a bit closer to the truth IMO...

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what your MEC did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe your MEC anything.

your MEC was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting your MEC out now....

....than anything your MEC can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to your MEC is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your relative seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out your MEC now to at least get your relative seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that your MEC could ever do for you now that would equal voting your MEC out and subsequently getting your relative seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

 

[Redtailer]

USAPA is the end of US...

Oh look another ALPA/West bashing thread.. Flame bait.

No matter how you may feel about USAPA/ALPA there are a few things that will happen if USAPA is voted on the property. It all leads up to the inevitable implosion of USAPA.

If USAPA is voted on the property, all funds will need to be taken in from the resultant members. Next the west side will sue USAPA, with ALPA money, for every penny to keep them from changing the Nicolau award. Sue for not representing the interests of the West side under the RLA. And don't let a West pilot have a grievance against the company. There is no way any Westie can believe they would be fairly represented. The lawsuits would be endless and the West will win several of them due to the arrogance of the USAPA folks wanting to "Stick it to the West."

All of this translates to nothing in the USAPA budget to fight the company with. Good luck with any leverage with such a disorganized group as well. Management will laugh in their faces. Strike? Good luck. Getting the West to sit down at the table with USAPA. Not gonna happen.

It would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

 

[hmmm]

D.O.H. And whats you interest T.O. that you would identify my employer. I have never identified you. Your britches have gotten a little big for someone who was only voted in because nobody else but a bu tt buddy wanted the position out of a total vote I could count on less than two hands being that I was the one to do the count.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Redtailer-

Valid points... it all comes down to money.
In addition, while, the USAPA guys love to look at other unions that have stuck it to ALPA... (CAL and FX came back!), has a union split from ALPA with a split group? (West/East)


Is that your new USAPA union?

Yep, with USAPA's new fair and flexable plan I can senioritize when and where I want, its my little why of sticking it to the Man.

But you are the Man.....

That's right....

So you're sticking it to yourself?








maybe...

 

[PCL_128]

And whats you interest T.O. that you would identify my employer. I have never identified you.

Uh, I didn't identify your employer, you did in other threads. I wasn't aware that you were trying to hide.

 

[hmmm]

Well you just identified yourself. You'll notice I didn't use your screen name.

I brought up USAIR VOTE NO TO ALPA because a significant benefactor of mine; their well being is messed up in this which affects me as well business wise. It is about money, time and earned quality of life earned in time off due to seniority.

I'm not against ALPA, but ALPA being out in this situation is beneficial to what we see is the right way to go to put things the way they should have been, D.O.H.

ALPA, MEC or whatever way someone wants to reference it is not going to fix it in our opinion.

We all have opinions however lame or misinformed or self serving or possibly even right they may be.

So whats your interest that you would have that AVITAR there. If you can feel that strongly I can too where ever I or you work for.

 

[PCL_128]

Well you just identified yourself. You'll notice I didn't use your screen name.

Based on previous PMs you've sent me, I know who you think I am. Doesn't mean that you're correct...

I'm not against ALPA, but ALPA being out in this situation is beneficial to what we see is the right way to go to put things the way they should have been, D.O.H.

I actually agree that DOH is the right way to do seniority integrations between mainline carriers, but unfortunately, that's not the ALPA policy, and that's not what the AAA MEC signed on for in arbitration.

So whats your interest that you would have that AVITAR there. If you can feel that strongly I can too where ever I or you work for.

I never said that you shouldn't feel strongly about it. This is an issue that affects the entire industry. Anyone at any carrier that doesn't feel strongly about it one way or another is grossly uninformed, IMO. I'm just curious if you're as rabidly anti-ALPA at your own ALPA carrier as you seem to be towards ALPA at AAA.

 

[hmmm]

I just stated I was not against ALPA.

I'd rather have ALPA where I am unless ALPA whether it be the MEC or organization would mess up my perceived career.

And in this situation at USAIR I and the person I am associated with that is there feel ALPA OUT is the only way DOH can be fixed and that is more significant than anything that ALPA could ever do for them and that is this Aho les opinion and am entitled to it.

 

[Deadalus]

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more than what ALPA did or didn't do for you in the past.

You don't owe ALPA anything.

ALPA was bought and paid for with your percentage of salary paid to them and u don't owe them anything.

What’s left of your USAir career is worth more to you by voting ALPA out now....

....than anything ALPA can do for you in the future.

Loyalty to ALPA is worthless after what they didn't do for you in seniority integration and letting management gut your retirement.

The only way to be able to put food on the table decently in retirement concurrent with what your seniority is supposed to be at USAir is to vote out ALPA now to at least get your seniority put back where it should be.

There is nothing that ALPA could ever do for you now that would equal voting ALPA out and subsequently getting your seniority back.

The self serving AWest pilots are not worth the paper their license used to be printed on that they didn't put the seniority proper on their own recognizance as men of morals and principle they are not, evidenced by their sitting there and accepting the ill gained spoils of war not due to them by their years in service based on Date of Hire.

You're seniority back where it should be? If you want to look at someone that's self serving with no integrity go look in the mirror. The only pilots that think the arbitration was unfair is a bunch of scumbag East pilots. I went from a 7 year upgrade at a good company to leaving. I hope it goes to a second arbitration where you'll find yourself stapled to the bottom of the list, where you belong.

 

[becket]

USAPA will be the final nail in the East Coffin. Dust off those logbooks.

 

[hmmm]

Integrity?

How is D.O.H anything less than it should be.

I would think the ones with integrity would be the ones who want D.O.H.

 

[steveg]

Don't think it will matter much for the east guys. I'm looking hard right now and am talking to a bunch of people. They are ALL laughing at the fools out east and will NEVER hire them. Funny, but revisionist history and self-entitlement are not attitudes that carry over very well to a new employer. If you are a usapa supporter then don't even worry about dusting off your log book. Won't do you any good.