What will be the first airline to go out of business do to lack of crews?

[Garritto]

When I was JFK based I had some Freedom guys living in my crashpad. They used to talk about leaving Freedom (Mesa) for a decent regional once they got their 1,000 PIC. My two questions always were, are you really saving yourself any time in doing this and why would you drag the rest of us down by working for such a place?

 

[GoingHot]

When I was JFK based I had some Freedom guys living in my crashpad. They used to talk about leaving Freedom (Mesa) for a decent regional once they got their 1,000 PIC. My two questions always were, are you really saving yourself any time in doing this and why would you drag the rest of us down by working for such a place?

Hello Kettle, my name is Pot. I too, signed up to fly a $20 million jet for $17 an hour. BUT! I'm better than you.

 

[Garritto]

Never said I was better tough guy. It just doesn't make sense to me to hop scotch around from regional to regional, and I'm sure most pilots on here would agree with that. And even though Freedom has a very similar pay scale to ours, I remember FOs there with 8 days off a month, flying maybe 10 hours a month, bringing home $450 a paycheck. And when they did get a trip and flew over block, they made historical block. Its a rotten company and even though most, if not all, of the regionals suck...they suck on such a bigger level.

 

[CRJCA]

Mesa is hiring people that dont even have multi ratings. Nice. Friend of mine flew with one that said "we'll get it for you in training!"

 

[Palerider957]

Never said I was better tough guy. It just doesn't make sense to me to hop scotch around from regional to regional, and I'm sure most pilots on here would agree with that. And even though Freedom has a very similar pay scale to ours, I remember FOs there with 8 days off a month, flying maybe 10 hours a month, bringing home $450 a paycheck. And when they did get a trip and flew over block, they made historical block. Its a rotten company and even though most, if not all, of the regionals suck...they suck on such a bigger level.

I hear what you are saying, but remember, their pilot group agreed to all of this in a contract. Who are the bigger idiots: Mesa Management who sees this as a great deal for them, or the senior Mesa ALPA pilots who let this happen to more junior pilots?

There is a deeper issue at play here.

 

[Palerider957]

You're wrong. Airlines can't reduce flights right now because if one airline reduces flights another airline will move in and fill the gap in an effort to broaden their market share. If there was an actual pilot shortage there wouldn't be enough pilots to go around and airlines couldn't expand at will. There would be less flights and the price of tickets would go up.

Vote "pro liberty" in 2008 and you will grant liberty to giant corporations that will continue to crush the individual with their multi-million dollar budget legal departments. We need a government, and especially a justice department, that is for the people.

My friend, voting "pro labor" will not help your lot in life. You cannot legislate your every need (although many politicians would have you believe this). You cannot tell crew scheduling, managment, etc., to go fu*k themselves or you risk losing your job. So you feel your only recourse is to "vote" officials who will champion your cause. This is sad, and a fundamental weakness in our society.

If you want to improve your life, take time each day to work on a side business, or skill that will make you less vulnerable to your employers whims. Eventually when your other business or skill (such as option trading, real estate, and the like) is strong and profitable, you CAN tell scheduling, Chief Pilots, management, to GO FU*K themselves.

Don't relinquish all of your power to the governemt. Take charge AND RESPONSIBILITY for your own life.

Or you can just open another beer, order another pizza, and watch American Idol.......like 99% of the population.

 

[greyskyracer]

My friend, voting "pro labor" will not help your lot in life. You cannot legislate your every need (although many politicians would have you believe this). You cannot tell crew scheduling, managment, etc., to go fu*k themselves or you risk losing your job. So you feel your only recourse is to "vote" officials who will champion your cause. This is sad, and a fundamental weakness in our society.

If you want to improve your life, take time each day to work on a side business, or skill that will make you less vulnerable to your employers whims. Eventually when your other business or skill (such as option trading, real estate, and the like) is strong and profitable, you CAN tell scheduling, Chief Pilots, management, to GO FU*K themselves.

Don't relinquish all of your power to the governemt. Take charge AND RESPONSIBILITY for your own life.

Or you can just open another beer, order another pizza, and watch American Idol.......like 99% of the population.

Now I crave pizza and beer.

 

[Palerider957]

Now I crave pizza and beer.

Me too....sorry.

 

[av8er2]

My friend, voting "pro labor" will not help your lot in life. You cannot legislate your every need (although many politicians would have you believe this). You cannot tell crew scheduling, managment, etc., to go fu*k themselves or you risk losing your job. So you feel your only recourse is to "vote" officials who will champion your cause. This is sad, and a fundamental weakness in our society.

If you want to improve your life, take time each day to work on a side business, or skill that will make you less vulnerable to your employers whims. Eventually when your other business or skill (such as option trading, real estate, and the like) is strong and profitable, you CAN tell scheduling, Chief Pilots, management, to GO FU*K themselves.

Don't relinquish all of your power to the governemt. Take charge AND RESPONSIBILITY for your own life.

Or you can just open another beer, order another pizza, and watch American Idol.......like 99% of the population.

You are right.

 

[DX Rick]

Well, we had a Piedmont FO that got hired by them so I don't believe those mins are true!

Know of two Comair FO's that went there. Had to get "heavy airframe time"....they were bashed in the crew rooms when they told everyone where they were going.

 

[dogismycopilot]

Gulfstream

 

[flyer172r]

My friend, voting "pro labor" will not help your lot in life. You cannot legislate your every need (although many politicians would have you believe this). You cannot tell crew scheduling, managment, etc., to go fu*k themselves or you risk losing your job. So you feel your only recourse is to "vote" officials who will champion your cause. This is sad, and a fundamental weakness in our society.

If you want to improve your life, take time each day to work on a side business, or skill that will make you less vulnerable to your employers whims. Eventually when your other business or skill (such as option trading, real estate, and the like) is strong and profitable, you CAN tell scheduling, Chief Pilots, management, to GO FU*K themselves.

Don't relinquish all of your power to the governemt. Take charge AND RESPONSIBILITY for your own life.

Or you can just open another beer, order another pizza, and watch American Idol.......like 99% of the population.

Well you can vote for the politician who would appoint more pro-labor members to the NMB, or more pro-labor judges who would allow a pilot group to go on strike instead of keeping them in negotiation constantly or granting an injunction keeping them from fighting for a fair contract. Idealistic, I know, but I can hope.

And I really hope 99% of the population doesn't watch American Idol.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Well you can vote for the politician who would appoint more pro-labor members to the NMB, or more pro-labor judges who would allow a pilot group to go on strike instead of keeping them in negotiation constantly or granting an injunction keeping them from fighting for a fair contract. Idealistic, I know, but I can hope.

And I really hope 99% of the population doesn't watch American Idol.

I'll second that whole post

 

[T-prop]

Jedi....what you say definitely makes sense...I was trying to add up all the po dunk flight schools, Univ's and academies that produce pilots. yeah 30K or more is definitely a lot of money to drop for flight training.

uh, try 80-150K at about every pilot puppy farm. (RAA, DCA, Riddle, MAPD, PanAm, American Flyers etc.) Key Bank (THE lender for these schools) is out of the business, due to defaults.

Trust me, there is a shortage when: mins are dropped, bonuses are offered, classes can't be filled, and your FO is logging IMC for the first time.

 

[Dharmesh1231]

T-prop...were you in the Corps....i am currently in the Corps right now....getting out in a few months.

 

[FlyingToIST]

and we wonder why the pay is so low

well,
is there a shortage of crews in trucking industry when they pay $250 / 2 weeks and the driver pays 70/week on food expenses?
More and more airlines are looking like trucking companies.. more and more flight schools are looking like trucking schools.

 

[LoveGun]

My friend, voting "pro labor" will not help your lot in life. You cannot legislate your every need (although many politicians would have you believe this). You cannot tell crew scheduling, managment, etc., to go fu*k themselves or you risk losing your job. So you feel your only recourse is to "vote" officials who will champion your cause. This is sad, and a fundamental weakness in our society.

If you want to improve your life, take time each day to work on a side business, or skill that will make you less vulnerable to your employers whims. Eventually when your other business or skill (such as option trading, real estate, and the like) is strong and profitable, you CAN tell scheduling, Chief Pilots, management, to GO FU*K themselves.

Don't relinquish all of your power to the governemt. Take charge AND RESPONSIBILITY for your own life.

Or you can just open another beer, order another pizza, and watch American Idol.......like 99% of the population.

My mother told me to never pick a fight with a Libertarian social Darwinist...or did she say never start a fight with an idealist... or maybe she told me you can never win an argument when you argue with a fool. It really doesn't matter, each saying means the same thing.

Your John Wayne approach to life and politics sounds very noble and manly. I imagine that most libertarians have extremely large penises. The problem with your tough guy social philosophies is they don't make sense in the real world. While you are busy preening your next political argument (I am sure your next argument will expose the liberals' plan to install a government that will castrate the brass balls of all well endowed libertarians; damn castrating communist bastards) the thieves of the world are canceling pensions of middle class Americans, enslaving the third world, waging war for profit, and outlawing my right to strike.

In your world it is wrong to protect senior citizens from having their pensions stolen.

In your world it's OK for my employer to threaten taking my job, but it is illegal for me to strike.

In your world it is OK to pay an Asian 9 year old $1 a week to make shoes that sell for $100 a pair.

In your world it's impossible for me to fight an incorrect charge on my phone bill because the phone company has one hundred lawyers and I am just one person.

Sure, the free market might straighten out these problems, it's evolution, but I don't want to wait for evolution to take place. Evolution takes thousands of years. Evolution makes better crocodiles, sharks, and faster rabbits. Evolution does not close sweat shops or stop my phone company from robbing me.

Vote pro Labor in 2008

 

[XJohXJ]

Thank you, LG.

 

[T-prop]

T-prop...were you in the Corps....i am currently in the Corps right now....getting out in a few months.

0331 '99-'05

 

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