What is so wrong about "with you"

MTpilot

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Come on............

What do you want instead? Give examples.
 

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Read the AIM for your answer and examples.

Me? I say "SoCal Approach, Citation xxx, level one zero thousand" or the corresponding equivalents.
 

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MTpilot said:
Come on............

What do you want instead? Give examples.
Where else would you be?

"Approach (center/tower/etc), Cessna 1234X, 6,000 Echo"

Basically, who am I talking to, who am I, where am I and anything else (like - what I want to do)

"Tower, Cessna 1234X outside the marker, option"

"Ground, Cessna 1234X North ramp, uniform, taxi"

that kinda thing.

-mini
 

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Why do you need to tell the controller that you are with them? It doesnt serve any point or add any information whatsoever.

Do you tell anyone else in a conversation or phone call that you are "with you"
 

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You don't have to say it - you're talking to them already

State who you are talking to, your callsign, altitude and any other restrictions - ie speed, heading etc.

I throw in a 'good evening/morning/afternoon', in case I might need to ask for a shortcut later.

Read the AIM. You'll get ignored if you talk like that in Europe.
 

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Nothing is wrong about "with you". Except for a bunch of sniviling, whining people with nothing better to do but shoot across the bow from their keyboard, it's perfectly fine.
Come on people. I've been flying for 26 years, and have yet to hear one person say that it's not acceptable. If it really bothers anyone that much, or if you think it implies a lack of professonalism (Sp?) (a bone for the English proffessors onboard), you really need to lay off the caffine.

Nothing wrong with sounding human.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. If you hear someone say it, I hope you have it somewhere deep in your heart to forgive.....
 

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MTpilot said:
Come on............

What do you want instead? Give examples.
When you start flying overseas especially the third world anything other than ICAO standard will confuse things. It may seem like a small thing but its the first thing new hires get gigged on where I work. Depending on the location in can be downright dangerous to be non standard. A small piece of advice would be use correct ICAO now and you won't sound like an idiot on the radio when you start flying international. While flying overseas its embarrassing to hear some of our US brethern checking in to Frankfurt Control sounding like they are talking to a truck stop on a CB.............................

The rest of you can flame away but ICAO standard/ State rules really is the best way to communicate.
 

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Roger That!


HaHa!
 
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MD11Drvr said:
While flying overseas its embarrassing to hear some of our US brethern checking in to Frankfurt Control sounding like they are talking to a truck stop on a CB.............................
Awwwwww come on, whats wrong with being the stereotypical American "Cowboy."
 

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MTpilot said:
Come on............

What do you want instead? Give examples.
It not only sounds gay, but once you key a mike button 70 or 80 thousand times, you'll be looking for ways to eliminate useless verbiage.

verbiage

One entry found for verbiage. Main Entry: ver·biage Pronunciation: 'v&r-bE-ij also -bij
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Middle French verbier to chatter, from verbe speech, from Latin verbum word
1 : a profusion of words usually of little or obscure content <such a tangled maze of evasive verbiage as a typical party platform -- Marcia Davenport>
2 : manner of expressing oneself in words : [SIZE=-1]DICTION[/SIZE] <sportswriters guarded their verbiage so jealously -- R.A. Sokolov>
 
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Metro752 said:
Awwwwww come on, whats wrong with being the stereotypical American "Cowboy."
I see you point however the german controllers are not known for the sense of humor being stressed in thier training. And it really does play into the stereotype. Life really is easier ICAO standard but if you want to hold over the spessart NDB then cowboy away...........
 
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I know, just kiddin around, the old joke about the German controller giving the American pilot a hard time about having ever been to Frankfurt before, only once before in another type of Boeing, and it didn't involve landing. Ha!


:D
 

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Any controllers on here want to give an opinion?
 

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sbav8r said:
Any controllers on here want to give an opinion?
I knew comptrollers that hated people saying things like, "with you". Why would a controller be any different?
 

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I sometimes use the phrase "checking in"

"Socal approach seneca XXXX checking in level 12 thousand."
 

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lowslow said:
I've been flying for 26 years, and have yet to hear one person say that it's not acceptable. ..
Try reading articles written by controllers. I've read a number of articles written for pilots by different controllers over the years and they all hate it.

Here's a list of ATC articles on Avweb.
http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182651-1.html If you read them, you'll notice that more often than not, when he gives an example of a dumbass unprofessional plot, the pilot is saying "with you". that should give you a clue what this controller thinks about it. I've read articles by a few other controllers, they seem to have the same opinion. why would you do something controllers don't like?

Now, would you say "I'm wearing underwear today" every time you contacted a new controller? I wouldn't. It doesn't impart any useful information, it wastes time on the frequency, and the controller would probably think I'm a dumbass. The same can be said for "with you".
 

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A Squared said:
Now, would you say "I'm wearing underwear today" every time you contacted a new controller?
Thanks for the idea...i am gonna use that now
 
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i actually need some new underwear. ya ever notice it disapears over the course of a year or so, till ya gotta buy more. I dont have any problem with holy underwear, and if I can't find any, I dont wear any.
 

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With you

Actually where I work there's a new Capt who says "With you" every time in Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina and they seem to have no problem with it. I fact I think telling them that you have new underwear would be good since we have to fight for CB deviations and that would let them know that were OK without them; both new underwear and deviations.

I think it's un-professional and shows a lack of ATC communication knowledge but it wouldn’t get you killed. ;)
 

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I sometimes like to "check in" on the "meter."

Kidding. I don't know what it's like around your necks of the woods, but here in the Northeast it can get very busy, and radio communications need to be as concise and accurate as possible to avoid frequency congestion (nevermind keeping controllers happy.) Eliminating useless verbiage (somewhere FN FAL is smiling) such as "with you" is critical to that end.

Besides, it just makes you sound like an idiot.

-Goose
 
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