What is junior manning?

[noslonlo]

What is junior manning? Please give an example.

Thanks

 

[mmmdonut]

Wasn't Junior Manning a shortstop for the Mets?

 

[username]

Junior manning = being forced to work.

You're coming home on the last leg of a five day trip. It's X-mas eve and you haven't seen your family in a week. When you call in range ops tells you to contact scheduling. Before the aircraft door is opened somebody is standing outside looking for you with a similar note. You call scheduling and find out X-mas will now be spent in Detriot.

 

[DetoXJ]

An open trip goes into open time for Premium Pay (time and one half pay). If nobody wants to pick it up then scheduling assigns it to a reserve pilot. If there are no reserve pilots then the trip is "forced" on somebody who was supposed to be off....starting with the most junior.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just tell them you are across the country and you'll happily work your way back to domicile..... time distance says you'll be there tomorrow...

Glad to help....

 

[noslonlo]

An open trip goes into open time for Premium Pay (time and one half pay). If nobody wants to pick it up then scheduling assigns it to a reserve pilot. If there are no reserve pilots then the trip is "forced" on somebody who was supposed to be off....starting with the most junior.

I assume that the person who the trip is "forced" on isn't paid time and one half.

 

[BRA]

We have this at colgan air, it is called "drafting" though. No premium pay. You have been "drafted".

 

[PudgeyDingus]

It means getting bend over without any lube and worse yet, not even a reach around.

 

[CRJ puppy]

I assume that the person who the trip is "forced" on isn't paid time and one half.

Depends upon the work rules negotiated by your union (one of those good reasons to have a strong union). Someplaces it is, some it isn't...

Happy Holidays!

 

[Clyde]

What is junior manning? Please give an example.

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The youngest and least known of the Manning brothers. He's the one that didn't go to the NFL.

Seriously, at my airline, junior manning is flying at time-and-a-half, IF I'M AVAILABLE. If I'm available, when the phone rings, I have to fly it. If I'm not available when the phone rings, all I have to say is "i'm unavailable" and that's it. No questions asked, and that is also assuming I'm home to hear the phone ring.

 

[SLFLYHI]

What is junior manning? Please give an example.

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Junior Manning gives you another chance to prove your superior airman abilities on that day (and possibly the following days). You get to keep your 4-day shirt on for several more hours and slog back through the weather you just came through, because it's probably the weather that has caused them to junior man in the first place...

At some places it means a temporary pay raise, at some it means forced overtime at regular rates. The best part about junior manning is that if you are an FO, chances are that you're still on probation so you get to say "thank you Mr. Crew Scheduler." If you're a Capt who gets junior manned, it's your own fault for answering the phone and/or for not knowing your contract, or not asking for a copy of the junior man list they've been working up from the bottom till they got to you.

I was junior manned once because my wife answered the phone and said, "oh sure, First Officer _____ is right here!" So being junior manned can also give you the opportunity to work on your relationship with your mate cause you get to explain to her why you have to leave her birthday party to go work because she answered the phone when the caller id said "blocked"

Steve
IAH FO

 

[chperplt]

I was junior manned once because my wife answered the phone and said, "oh sure, First Officer _____ is right here!"

I answer the phone all the time when they try and JM me on a day off. I've always just had a beer.

 

[Vik]

I just keep an open beer around!

"Work? I'm drunk as a skunk right now! It'll be days before I recover!"

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I answer the phone all the time when they try and JM me on a day off. I've always just had a beer.

Or just don't acknowlege that you are you. For Example

Scheduling- This is scheduling calling for Capt Bob.

Capt Bob- He is not here. Can I take a message?

Sched- We show this being his cell phone.

Bob- Do you want to leave a message or not?
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Or just screen the call.

Other dirty tricks are scheduling using a pay phone....

Sced- Bob! Good to hear your voice...Long time! How are you?

Bob- I am Great! Whos this?

Sched- Scheduling you got a trip....
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[JetLinkin Park]

We have this at colgan air, it is called "drafting" though. No premium pay. You have been "drafted".

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. I've never been jr. manned, and if they ever try to- I guarantee I'll be drunk.

 

[blzr]

JR. Manning is usually, if not always spelled out in the contract. basically, they can have you three times a year. We would work out deals where schedueling would give us a JR. Man in we would do a crappy 2 day. Most people try and get them out of the way as quickly as possible.

As a commuter, I got a call from schedueling on a day off at 0500(et). 0400 where I was. She rudely told me that I was Jr manned for a 0700 departure. then she hung up. I called back as soon as I realized I wasn't dreaming and told her I was at home in blah blah blah.. she hung up on me again and two hours later I had the Chief Pilot on the phone telling me I had refused a Jr. Mann which is a serious offense in the company. Once I explained what was going on, they didn't press the issue.

Watch out for dirty tricks by schedueling to put Meat in the Seat!

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Depends upon the work rules negotiated by your union (one of those good reasons to have a strong union). Someplaces it is, some it isn't...

Happy Holidays!

Wow! Not to flame the thread, but junior manning at Skywest is completely optional, you can answer the phone and say no, but it doesn't hurt to hear the trip. A couple of months ago I took a trip with 2.2 hrs block 9.1 hrs duty for 7.1 hrs pay. Whether you pick it up out of open time within 10 days of the trip or you recieve a call on it, it's still 1.5 pay. It was a standup, left at 10:30 PM and back at 7:30 AM. Not a bad policy for a unionless carrier.

YOGI

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Junior is Peyton's youngest brother!

Cliff
YIP

 

[Standby 1]

Sked: "First Officer _____, we are calling you for a junior assigned trip."

Pilot: "Wow, it's a good thing you caught me 'cause I was just about to pop open a beer...bad news is, it's my second."




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[voteno]

If you don't want to get junior manned and you do, you are a DUMBASS! I laugh my ass off at all the people bitching about getting junior manned! If you didn't want it and got it, you deserve it!