What has ALPA done for me lately?

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So Rez, where's your reply?

What is the rush?

 

[JungleJett]

What is the rush?

exactly.....

 

[Jonny Sacko]

What is the rush?

No, no. Just want to make sure you got it, and at least took a look at it.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How big is USAPA's warchest? Or is it that cheesy wooden box they carried their altered cards to the NMB in.

 

[pianoman]

I'm giving ALPA a chance here. If they have, as they claim, been hamstrung by the administration for the last 8 years, then hopefully we'll see some gains when the economy stabilizes.

If not, then perhaps we need to explore some different methods.

But what gets me is that any of these companies guys reference when they talk about great pay rates have been making money hand over fist for the last 10+ years. It's hard to bargain for something when you can't go on strike, there's a bankruptcy judge, and you're company is in his court.

 

[PCL_128]

The answer to the first question:

Labor Union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members' interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.

You basically said the same thing I did, but with more words.

Why go back decades? While ALPA made headway decades ago, how have they done in the past decade?

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

How has ALPA reduced the impact of bankruptcy on the average line pilot?

Every company was looking for far deeper concessions than what they actually got.

The membership? Was that the same membership that spoke its mind when polled about age 65 and then ignored? Or was that a different membership? I remember the poll questions quite well. They were tilted towards Prater and the other old guys agenda's. I know a couple of people who were on the panel and they saw things differently than you do...and they were there. Recommendations were
made...and ignored.

The polling data was clear. You can ignore it if you choose, but facts are facts. The membership said that ALPA should change the policy if the age change appeared to be inevitable. Period.

Again, what are YOU doing to fix ALPA

Right now, I'm just working to get ALPA on property. I'll worry about "fixing" it after that first step is accomplished.

and in your opinion what is wrong with ALPA?

There is plenty of work that can be done. A revamped merger policy, fee-for-departure issues, better leadership training, etc...

Has ALPA been effective is stopping the slide of this profession over the past decade?

Yep. As best as could be done under the current laws. And now ALPA is making sure that the laws are fixed.

 

[PCL_128]

One more thing...

What is the memberships overall satisfaction with ALPA's representation and efforts recently.

Provide some facts...not biased opinion.

I don't have access to recent polling data, so I can't answer that question.

 

[Regul8r]

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

Sad how all you ALPA ceerleaders have to fall back on the past, which is all but history now.

ALPA is one big toilet that needed to be flushed long ago!

 

[PCL_128]

You waited 8 months for that "genius" post? Sad.

 

[Regul8r]

To the original poster: Keep in mind that ALPA's main purpose is to make sure pilots get compensated well. All the other stuff is window dressing.

 

[flygirlqt]

To the original poster: Keep in mind that ALPA's main purpose is to make sure pilots get compensated well. All the other stuff is window dressing.

If you are talking about the National officers, then you are correct.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you are talking about the National officers, then you are correct.

After the concessionary contract ratifications at USAirways, I was being paid as a group
2 captain. I chose that position because it was what I could hold, even though I was entitled by
resolution of the Board of Directors, to be paid as a group 1 captain. Also, by resolution of the
Board of Directors, I was entitled to the pay rate I had on January 1, 2003. I voluntarily took the
LOA 93 pay cut along with every other pilot at USAirways. I stayed at that rate until I could hold
group 1 captain at which time I was voluntarily paid at the concessionary group 1 rate. Just to
round out the allegations of the rumor mill, I did not get an ALPA pension. I got what all the rest
of us got, PC3 and working until I die. It might interest you to know that Paul Rice, the
Secretary, and Dennis Dolan, 1st Vice-President, did exactly the same, again, even though the
Board of Directors voted to pay all of us as though no concessions took place. In regard to the
President, he is entitled to the average of the highest three ALPA carriers. Duane Woerth
voluntarily went to the pay consistent with his seniority at Northwest. Contrary to your
statement, and I would like to know your source because it is dead wrong, all four officers did​

just what I have stated.

 

[Dan Roman]

Jett.

Guys like you are the first ones screaming for their rep when the get sideways with the company after having talked a ton of ******************** in the crewroom and on the flight deck.

I've seen it a million times.

Boy are you right.

Biggest fingerpointing complainers=weakest pilots.

seen it time and time again.

 

[Regul8r]

After the concessionary contract ratifications at USAirways, I was being paid as a group​

2 captain. I chose that position because it was what I could hold, even though I was entitled by
resolution of the Board of Directors, to be paid as a group 1 captain. Also, by resolution of the
Board of Directors, I was entitled to the pay rate I had on January 1, 2003. I voluntarily took the
LOA 93 pay cut along with every other pilot at USAirways. I stayed at that rate until I could hold
group 1 captain at which time I was voluntarily paid at the concessionary group 1 rate. Just to
round out the allegations of the rumor mill, I did not get an ALPA pension. I got what all the rest
of us got, PC3 and working until I die. It might interest you to know that Paul Rice, the
Secretary, and Dennis Dolan, 1st Vice-President, did exactly the same, again, even though the
Board of Directors voted to pay all of us as though no concessions took place. In regard to the
President, he is entitled to the average of the highest three ALPA carriers. Duane Woerth
voluntarily went to the pay consistent with his seniority at Northwest. Contrary to your
statement, and I would like to know your source because it is dead wrong, all four officers did​

just what I have stated.

It's clear that the BOD took measures to ensure the officers were well comensated....much as Flygirlqt stated. Remember when the President's compensation was based on the average of the 6 highest paying carriers?

I wonder why it was whittled down to just 3....hmmmmmmm?