What has ALPA done for me lately?

[JoeMerchant]

The only AIB that cares about protecting the deceased pilots, yes.

Would you clarify this statement? What do you mean by it?

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA is the only organization in this whole mess that is focused on protecting the good names of the fallen pilots. Did you notice how the NTSB had to backpedal on their ridiculous accusation that the crew ignored procedures? Bet you ALPA had a hand in that one. ALPA is there on the scene to make sure that these two fallen pilots are not dragged through the mud. Thank God someone is looking out for them, even after they're gone.

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA is the only organization in this whole mess that is focused on protecting the good names of the fallen pilots. Did you notice how the NTSB had to backpedal on their ridiculous accusation that the crew ignored procedures? Bet you ALPA had a hand in that one. ALPA is there on the scene to make sure that these two fallen pilots are not dragged through the mud. Thank God someone is looking out for them, even after they're gone.

What did ALPA do with the Pinnacle crash?

 

[PCL_128]

What did ALPA do with the Pinnacle crash?

ALPA made sure that the NTSB report put a great deal of emphasis on Pinnacle's (lack of) safety culture, horrible training program, non-existent high-altitude training, etc... ALPA also made sure that "core lock" finally became an item of common knowledge in CRJ programs after years of it being practically covered up. ALPA also ran a collection for the families of the fallen pilots that collected tens of thousands of dollars. At the BOD meeting alone, the Officers contributed several thousand dollars. ALPA's CIRP program worked with pilots and family members that needed assistance in coping with the crash.

That's just a few items off the top of my head. Any other questions, Joey?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

PCL- I wonder how much money Joey contributed to the fund. When that cardboard box went around the room (started by the NWA MEC) I emptied out my pockets.....

 

[PCL_128]

PCL- I wonder how much money Joey contributed to the fund. When that cardboard box went around the room (started by the NWA MEC) I emptied out my pockets.....

Hell, Joey probably would have stolen money out of the box.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hell, Joey probably would have stolen money out of the box.

That or he would have made change for the candy machine.....!

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA made sure that the NTSB report put a great deal of emphasis on Pinnacle's (lack of) safety culture, horrible training program, non-existent high-altitude training, etc... ALPA also made sure that "core lock" finally became an item of common knowledge in CRJ programs after years of it being practically covered up. ALPA also ran a collection for the families of the fallen pilots that collected tens of thousands of dollars. At the BOD meeting alone, the Officers contributed several thousand dollars. ALPA's CIRP program worked with pilots and family members that needed assistance in coping with the crash.

That's just a few items off the top of my head. Any other questions, Joey?

No that answers it.....Blamed everyone except those who caused it.....

There were two causes to that accident....Neither was blamed by ALPA....

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah, attack a couple of dead guys, John. You're a big man now.

 

[JungleJett]

I think Rez (JP) and PCL may share the same DNA. They certainly share the same ability to dodge questions....

If you guys are the future of the union, then there are over 50,000 pilots that are in deeper trouble than they know.

 

[PCL_128]

Which questions have we dodged, JJ? Seems that we've answered everything. You just don't like the answers because they don't fit with your preconceived ALPA hatred.

 

[JungleJett]

Which questions have we dodged, JJ? Seems that we've answered everything. You just don't like the answers because they don't fit with your preconceived ALPA hatred.

Preconceived? Years of experience...worked for...not bought. I was ALPA when you were still writing checks to become an airline pilot. You PFT'rs are still the scourge of the industry.

What is the purpose of ALPA? What is the purpose of a union? What is the goal of ALPA and what has been the results over the past decade? What has ALPA done to protect the welfare and livelihood of its members? How is JP's (Rez) plan going on "Taking it Back?" What were the results of the Blue Ribbon Panel and what, if any, recommendations did Rez..sorry...JP...take and implement? What did an ALPA National Poll tell ALPA leadership what its membership said about the age 65 rule change?

Need more? That should keep you busy for the next few hours.

What are YOU doing to improve ALPA? (Since you are NOT an ALPA member.)

 

[PCL_128]

What is the purpose of ALPA? What is the purpose of a union?

To advance the profession.

What is the goal of ALPA and what has been the results over the past decade?

The past decade? Why are you limiting it? Why not look at ALPA's entire history to determine what ALPA has done for this profession? You would make a fraction of what you currently do and have a horrendous qualify of life were it not for ALPA.

What has ALPA done to protect the welfare and livelihood of its members?

You should read Flying the Line for some good answers to that question. As far as what they've done recently, ALPA has reduced the impact that bankruptcy could have had on our profession. Were it not for ALPA, the profession would be in far worse shape today.

How is JP's (Rez) plan going on "Taking it Back?"

First, JP is not Rez. Rez and I worked together at Pinnacle, and JP was obviously not at Pinnacle. Second, Captain Prater's plan is on track to produce real dividends. I think the next bargaining cycle is going to produce some great contract.

What were the results of the Blue Ribbon Panel and what, if any, recommendations did Rez..sorry...JP...take and implement? What did an ALPA National Poll tell ALPA leadership what its membership said about the age 65 rule change?

Both the membership and the BRP advised that the policy be modified if it became clear that Age 65 was inevitable. It was, and ALPA acted accordingly, providing a slew of protections in the Act.

Need more? That should keep you busy for the next few hours.

Just a few minutes, actually.

What are YOU doing to improve ALPA? (Since you are NOT an ALPA member.)

Actually, I am an ALPA member. I maintain Participant status by paying a small yearly fee. And in a couple of months, this entire pilot group will probably be ALPA members.

 

[Fubijaakr]

PCL,

You should never try to teach a pig to sing. Its a waste of your time and it irritates the pig.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

What is interesting is, now Joey is pissing off his fellow (ex)RJDC members...... before he knows it, Joey will have enough support for a one man union!

 

[JungleJett]

The answer to the first question:

Labor Union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members' interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.

The past decade? Why are you limiting it? Why not look at ALPA's entire history to determine what ALPA has done for this profession? You would make a fraction of what you currently do and have a horrendous qualify of life were it not for ALPA.

Why go back decades? While ALPA made headway decades ago, how have they done in the past decade? You cannot rest on "Look what we did back in the 50's," when someone is asking about how things are today. As for your last statement, you have ZERO proof of that. Do you think pilots enjoy a just wage scale and have a tremendous QOL today...not 50 years ago? Is the membership satisfied with the way things are today?

You should read Flying the Line for some good answers to that question. As far as what they've done recently, ALPA has reduced the impact that bankruptcy could have had on our profession. Were it not for ALPA, the profession would be in far worse shape today.

How has ALPA reduced the impact of bankruptcy on the average line pilot?

Second, Captain Prater's plan is on track to produce real dividends. I think the next bargaining cycle is going to produce some great contract.

You think? Have you read the papers? Maybe you should put down the ALPA propaganda and read the papers...or watch the news. And give some examples of "Taking it Back." is working.

Both the membership and the BRP advised that the policy be modified if it became clear that Age 65 was inevitable. It was, and ALPA acted accordingly, providing a slew of protections in the Act.

The membership? Was that the same membership that spoke its mind when polled about age 65 and then ignored? Or was that a different membership? I remember the poll questions quite well. They were tilted towards Prater and the other old guys agenda's. I know a couple of people who were on the panel and they saw things differently than you do...and they were there. Recommendations were
made...and ignored.

Again, what are YOU doing to fix ALPA and in your opinion what is wrong with ALPA? Has ALPA been effective is stopping the slide of this profession over the past decade?

Hey Fubi...I would much rather be a pig than a zombie.

 

[JungleJett]

One more thing...

What is the memberships overall satisfaction with ALPA's representation and efforts recently.

Provide some facts...not biased opinion.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Jett.

Guys like you are the first ones screaming for their rep when the get sideways with the company after having talked a ton of ******************** in the crewroom and on the flight deck.

I've seen it a million times.

 

[JungleJett]

Jett.

Guys like you are the first ones screaming for their rep when the get sideways with the company after having talked a ton of ******************** in the crewroom and on the flight deck.

I've seen it a million times.

You could not be more wrong...but hey...I am not surprised. When I needed representation, there was no one around. When the profession needed representation...there was no one around.

Guys like you will look ALPA square in the eyes and smile as you are getting rogered from behind. And then, when they are done and wipe it off on your new curtains, you thank them and make them lunch.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

So Rez, where's your reply?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So Rez, where's your reply?

What is the rush?

 

[JungleJett]

What is the rush?

exactly.....

 

[Jonny Sacko]

What is the rush?

No, no. Just want to make sure you got it, and at least took a look at it.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How big is USAPA's warchest? Or is it that cheesy wooden box they carried their altered cards to the NMB in.

 

[pianoman]

I'm giving ALPA a chance here. If they have, as they claim, been hamstrung by the administration for the last 8 years, then hopefully we'll see some gains when the economy stabilizes.

If not, then perhaps we need to explore some different methods.

But what gets me is that any of these companies guys reference when they talk about great pay rates have been making money hand over fist for the last 10+ years. It's hard to bargain for something when you can't go on strike, there's a bankruptcy judge, and you're company is in his court.

 

[PCL_128]

The answer to the first question:

Labor Union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members' interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.

You basically said the same thing I did, but with more words.

Why go back decades? While ALPA made headway decades ago, how have they done in the past decade?

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

How has ALPA reduced the impact of bankruptcy on the average line pilot?

Every company was looking for far deeper concessions than what they actually got.

The membership? Was that the same membership that spoke its mind when polled about age 65 and then ignored? Or was that a different membership? I remember the poll questions quite well. They were tilted towards Prater and the other old guys agenda's. I know a couple of people who were on the panel and they saw things differently than you do...and they were there. Recommendations were
made...and ignored.

The polling data was clear. You can ignore it if you choose, but facts are facts. The membership said that ALPA should change the policy if the age change appeared to be inevitable. Period.

Again, what are YOU doing to fix ALPA

Right now, I'm just working to get ALPA on property. I'll worry about "fixing" it after that first step is accomplished.

and in your opinion what is wrong with ALPA?

There is plenty of work that can be done. A revamped merger policy, fee-for-departure issues, better leadership training, etc...

Has ALPA been effective is stopping the slide of this profession over the past decade?

Yep. As best as could be done under the current laws. And now ALPA is making sure that the laws are fixed.

 

[PCL_128]

One more thing...

What is the memberships overall satisfaction with ALPA's representation and efforts recently.

Provide some facts...not biased opinion.

I don't have access to recent polling data, so I can't answer that question.

 

[Regul8r]

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

Sad how all you ALPA ceerleaders have to fall back on the past, which is all but history now.

ALPA is one big toilet that needed to be flushed long ago!

 

[PCL_128]

You waited 8 months for that "genius" post? Sad.

 

[Regul8r]

To the original poster: Keep in mind that ALPA's main purpose is to make sure pilots get compensated well. All the other stuff is window dressing.