What has ALPA done for me lately?

[JungleJett]

The answer to the first question:

Labor Union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members' interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.

The past decade? Why are you limiting it? Why not look at ALPA's entire history to determine what ALPA has done for this profession? You would make a fraction of what you currently do and have a horrendous qualify of life were it not for ALPA.

Why go back decades? While ALPA made headway decades ago, how have they done in the past decade? You cannot rest on "Look what we did back in the 50's," when someone is asking about how things are today. As for your last statement, you have ZERO proof of that. Do you think pilots enjoy a just wage scale and have a tremendous QOL today...not 50 years ago? Is the membership satisfied with the way things are today?

You should read Flying the Line for some good answers to that question. As far as what they've done recently, ALPA has reduced the impact that bankruptcy could have had on our profession. Were it not for ALPA, the profession would be in far worse shape today.

How has ALPA reduced the impact of bankruptcy on the average line pilot?

Second, Captain Prater's plan is on track to produce real dividends. I think the next bargaining cycle is going to produce some great contract.

You think? Have you read the papers? Maybe you should put down the ALPA propaganda and read the papers...or watch the news. And give some examples of "Taking it Back." is working.

Both the membership and the BRP advised that the policy be modified if it became clear that Age 65 was inevitable. It was, and ALPA acted accordingly, providing a slew of protections in the Act.

The membership? Was that the same membership that spoke its mind when polled about age 65 and then ignored? Or was that a different membership? I remember the poll questions quite well. They were tilted towards Prater and the other old guys agenda's. I know a couple of people who were on the panel and they saw things differently than you do...and they were there. Recommendations were
made...and ignored.

Again, what are YOU doing to fix ALPA and in your opinion what is wrong with ALPA? Has ALPA been effective is stopping the slide of this profession over the past decade?

Hey Fubi...I would much rather be a pig than a zombie.

 

[JungleJett]

One more thing...

What is the memberships overall satisfaction with ALPA's representation and efforts recently.

Provide some facts...not biased opinion.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Jett.

Guys like you are the first ones screaming for their rep when the get sideways with the company after having talked a ton of ******************** in the crewroom and on the flight deck.

I've seen it a million times.

 

[JungleJett]

Jett.

Guys like you are the first ones screaming for their rep when the get sideways with the company after having talked a ton of ******************** in the crewroom and on the flight deck.

I've seen it a million times.

You could not be more wrong...but hey...I am not surprised. When I needed representation, there was no one around. When the profession needed representation...there was no one around.

Guys like you will look ALPA square in the eyes and smile as you are getting rogered from behind. And then, when they are done and wipe it off on your new curtains, you thank them and make them lunch.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

So Rez, where's your reply?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So Rez, where's your reply?

What is the rush?

 

[JungleJett]

What is the rush?

exactly.....

 

[Jonny Sacko]

What is the rush?

No, no. Just want to make sure you got it, and at least took a look at it.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How big is USAPA's warchest? Or is it that cheesy wooden box they carried their altered cards to the NMB in.

 

[pianoman]

I'm giving ALPA a chance here. If they have, as they claim, been hamstrung by the administration for the last 8 years, then hopefully we'll see some gains when the economy stabilizes.

If not, then perhaps we need to explore some different methods.

But what gets me is that any of these companies guys reference when they talk about great pay rates have been making money hand over fist for the last 10+ years. It's hard to bargain for something when you can't go on strike, there's a bankruptcy judge, and you're company is in his court.

 

[PCL_128]

The answer to the first question:

Labor Union: an organization of workers formed for the purpose of advancing its members' interests in respect to wages, benefits, and working conditions.

You basically said the same thing I did, but with more words.

Why go back decades? While ALPA made headway decades ago, how have they done in the past decade?

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

How has ALPA reduced the impact of bankruptcy on the average line pilot?

Every company was looking for far deeper concessions than what they actually got.

The membership? Was that the same membership that spoke its mind when polled about age 65 and then ignored? Or was that a different membership? I remember the poll questions quite well. They were tilted towards Prater and the other old guys agenda's. I know a couple of people who were on the panel and they saw things differently than you do...and they were there. Recommendations were
made...and ignored.

The polling data was clear. You can ignore it if you choose, but facts are facts. The membership said that ALPA should change the policy if the age change appeared to be inevitable. Period.

Again, what are YOU doing to fix ALPA

Right now, I'm just working to get ALPA on property. I'll worry about "fixing" it after that first step is accomplished.

and in your opinion what is wrong with ALPA?

There is plenty of work that can be done. A revamped merger policy, fee-for-departure issues, better leadership training, etc...

Has ALPA been effective is stopping the slide of this profession over the past decade?

Yep. As best as could be done under the current laws. And now ALPA is making sure that the laws are fixed.

 

[PCL_128]

One more thing...

What is the memberships overall satisfaction with ALPA's representation and efforts recently.

Provide some facts...not biased opinion.

I don't have access to recent polling data, so I can't answer that question.

 

[Regul8r]

Ok, if you insist on looking at the past decade, let's do that. The most expensive pilot contracts in history were signed in the past decade at ALPA carriers. The big AAA, NWA, UAL, and DAL agreements were all huge milestones for this profession, and all accomplished by ALPA within the past decade. Yes, bankruptcy undid a lot of that work, but ALPA is now working to change the BK laws to make sure they can't be abused again.

Sad how all you ALPA ceerleaders have to fall back on the past, which is all but history now.

ALPA is one big toilet that needed to be flushed long ago!

 

[PCL_128]

You waited 8 months for that "genius" post? Sad.

 

[Regul8r]

To the original poster: Keep in mind that ALPA's main purpose is to make sure pilots get compensated well. All the other stuff is window dressing.