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Which Fractional would you guys recommend if a pilot had to take that career path? Flex Jet, Net Jets, Citation Shares or Flight options? and why? It seems like for now and the future either you go to a Frac, Reg or Freight. Please dont post anything stupid like "neither"....thank you ladies and gents
 
My fractured / fractional opinion would be to go to Citation Shares, with NJA as a second choice until / if their pilot contract ever gets sorted out.

The other fracs are a VERY risky option right now in terms of stabilty.
 
Why is FlexJet a risky option? Lets see we are growing, hiring, ok pay and pretty good benefits. It depends on where you want to live. FlexJet is limited in this area, but I like the option I have. Sure the upgrades have slowed a bit, but the other fracs are no better in that department, some worse. CS upgrades based on butt kissing...no thanks on that one for me. The other Fracs are all looking at limiting their gateways. FlexJet is a pretty good place to be right now. Just look at the total package and see if it fits for you. All the fracs have their pluses and minuses. You need to look at them all and decide. I love how people are so quick to judge. Look at this board lately. There hasnt been much said about FlexJet good or bad. Do your own homework and see what best fits your lifestyle.
 
vixin said:
Why is FlexJet a risky option? Lets see we are growing, hiring, ok pay and pretty good benefits. It depends on where you want to live. FlexJet is limited in this area, but I like the option I have. Sure the upgrades have slowed a bit, but the other fracs are no better in that department, some worse. CS upgrades based on butt kissing...no thanks on that one for me. The other Fracs are all looking at limiting their gateways. FlexJet is a pretty good place to be right now. Just look at the total package and see if it fits for you. All the fracs have their pluses and minuses. You need to look at them all and decide. I love how people are so quick to judge. Look at this board lately. There hasnt been much said about FlexJet good or bad. Do your own homework and see what best fits your lifestyle.
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Hey Vixin, I have considered Flex Jet for the future for the fact that they have Dallas base. Also, I just got a job flying a lear 31A out of florida but I do want to come back to Dallas in the future. But before I went to flex Jet, I figured i go get some experience in the lear. I had a friend that worked for Flex in the 60 a couple of years ago and got layed off. How many times have they layed off? Also I heard a rumor that they filed bankruptcy....is that true????? What are there competetice mins?
 
Now thats funny Bankruptcy who did you hear that from? That did not happen!! Matter of fact we are in some of the best financial shape ever. Things are looking brighter here. They furloughed twice, but I dont think that will happen again, anything is possible. Rumor has it they will be hiring again soon, like end of the month early March. Get to know a few FlexJet pilots and see if they will get your stuff to HR. That is fairly important. Mins are 2500tt, 500 me and 500 turbine. I think they are pretty strict on these, but I am not sure.
 
vixin said:
Why is FlexJet a risky option? Lets see we are growing, hiring, ok pay and pretty good benefits. It depends on where you want to live. FlexJet is limited in this area, but I like the option I have. Sure the upgrades have slowed a bit, but the other fracs are no better in that department, some worse. CS upgrades based on butt kissing...no thanks on that one for me. The other Fracs are all looking at limiting their gateways. FlexJet is a pretty good place to be right now. Just look at the total package and see if it fits for you. All the fracs have their pluses and minuses. You need to look at them all and decide. I love how people are so quick to judge. Look at this board lately. There hasnt been much said about FlexJet good or bad. Do your own homework and see what best fits your lifestyle.
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The idea that upgrades at CS are based on butt kissing is not true. I'm a good example of that. I volunteered for 0 extra days. I never set foot in the office. I don't think I talked to anyone in management after indoc. I upgraded in one year and at the sime time everyone else in my class did. At CS as long as you do a good job, you upgrade. As near as I can figure out upgrades pretty much happen by class date, and all the merit stuff is used to figure out the bonus and pay raise. There are some things to complain about at CS, but the fairness of upgrades is not one of them.
 
vixin said:
Now thats funny Bankruptcy who did you hear that from? That did not happen!! Matter of fact we are in some of the best financial shape ever. Things are looking brighter here. They furloughed twice, but I dont think that will happen again, anything is possible. Rumor has it they will be hiring again soon, like end of the month early March. Get to know a few FlexJet pilots and see if they will get your stuff to HR. That is fairly important. Mins are 2500tt, 500 me and 500 turbine. I think they are pretty strict on these, but I am not sure.
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Actually my old chief pilot got on with Flex Jet back in like august...probably in the future I'll get him to walk my stuff in...Even if I had the flight time I dont have an ATP b/c of my age...still have a year and a month before I can get my ATP...so that gives me some time to get some descent experience in the lear 31. Dont you think?
 
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BortaS said:
The idea that upgrades at CS are based on butt kissing is not true. I'm a good example of that. I volunteered for 0 extra days. I never set foot in the office. I don't think I talked to anyone in management after indoc. I upgraded in one year and at the sime time everyone else in my class did. At CS as long as you do a good job, you upgrade. As near as I can figure out upgrades pretty much happen by class date, and all the merit stuff is used to figure out the bonus and pay raise. There are some things to complain about at CS, but the fairness of upgrades is not one of them.
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Does CS have bases in Texas? if so, how easy is it to get Dallas base? What aircraft does everyone usually start on?
 
Bortas I stand corrected. Sorry about that!! The 31's are going bye bye!! The time is what counts. They hire from all backgrounds. I hope your old CP didnt tell your that rumor...if he did he needs to get his stuff straight.
 
vixin said:
Bortas I stand corrected. Sorry about that!! The 31's are going bye bye!! The time is what counts. They hire from all backgrounds. I hope your old CP didnt tell your that rumor...if he did he needs to get his stuff straight.
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Relax Viking, it wasnt him...it was another guy, not flex jet employee
 
alrighty

vixin said:
I am very relaxed...just that was pretty humorous. FlexJet is a descent place to work. Good luck!!
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Cool, thanx
 
So Net Jet and flight options guys really dont like it there, havent heard a peep from either. So I'm guessing Flex and CS are the best choices.
 
Bankruptcy? Thats like the rumor of our sub-orbital bizjet, set for delivery in 2008. Positions available, New York to Tokyo in 54 minutes, call the FlexJet sales office today!


This is a pretty good place to work. Most of us would like a wider selection of gateways, but other than that a few minor issues things are copacetic. Above all, things are very stable financially. Your friend may have been referring to the parent company, Bombardier, as the stock price is low and their debt rating was lowered. As go the airlines, so goes Bombardier.

We are getting rid of the 31's, only a few left and they will be off the books soon. But having 31 experience is a plus as most of the senior people here started in that aircraft and have progressed on to other types. I probably ran into your former boss at the Bombardier Training Center at DFW; I was there late summer for my 300 type.
 
LXJ31 said:
Bankruptcy? Thats like the rumor of our sub-orbital bizjet, set for delivery in 2008. Positions available, New York to Tokyo in 54 minutes, call the FlexJet sales office today!


This is a pretty good place to work. Most of us would like a wider selection of gateways, but other than that a few minor issues things are copacetic. Above all, things are very stable financially. Your friend may have been referring to the parent company, Bombardier, as the stock price is low and their debt rating was lowered. As go the airlines, so goes Bombardier.

We are getting rid of the 31's, only a few left and they will be off the books soon. But having 31 experience is a plus as most of the senior people here started in that aircraft and have progressed on to other types. I probably ran into your former boss at the Bombardier Training Center at DFW; I was there late summer for my 300 type.
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Really so you met him? Was it a guy by the name Mike Lengheman...I think that's how you spell his last name. He have me my 135 check in the C208 where he use to work at. Good guy, when i talked to him on the phone he had just arrived into dallas and was heading to bombardier to begin his initial in the lear 60 I think. I might bug him next year if flex is hiring to get my stuff in. Like I said, I dont mind relocating for the right job but I love Dallas and If an opporunity with a frac or a corp job came open there....man I would take it in a heart beat
 
Flybet3 said:
Does CS have bases in Texas? if so, how easy is it to get Dallas base? What aircraft does everyone usually start on?
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Dallas is a base, and you can pick any base you want. As far as what aircraft you start on it depends if you have a type in any of them. You'll most likely go to that aircraft otherwise, you just end up where the need of the moment is.
 
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Dallas is a base, and you can pick any base you want. As far as what aircraft you start on it depends if you have a type in any of them. You'll most likely go to that aircraft otherwise, you just end up where the need of the moment is.
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oooooooohhhhh, is it fairly easy to commute with 7 days on 7 off?
 
Flybet3 said:
oooooooohhhhh, is it fairly easy to commute with 7 days on 7 off?
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No commuting allowed at CS. You may pick any domicile you want, but then you have to actually move there, or at least move to within 2 hours drive time of the airport.
 

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