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Okay, I'll try to give you all a little insight on an ATC job. The following are *MY* impressions and experiences only, take them for what that's worth. I was a college CFII with around 1300 hrs when I got hired back in '79......

First, being a pilot does NOT necessarily give you a big leg up in training. Yes, you'll be more familiar with the terminology and procedures we use, but the "job skills" between a pilot and controller are different. When I went through initial training, the washout rate for pilots and former military controllers was almost as high as for secretaries and accountants. Some pilots (people) would do extremely well with just two or three airplanes, but just be unable to juggle and prioritize ten-fifteen balls at the same time. Doesn't mean you're a bad pilot or person, just a lousy juggler. Some people have a difficult time analysing a situation and making a good decision very quickly. Given one minute, they'd do just fine. There just isn't that much time, and you can't second guess yourself very much while on position. A controller doesn't always get it right, but you have to be very confident and decisive. Suprisingly, many people aren't when the fur flies. Again, doesn't mean you're a bad person or unsafe in another career. I'd kinda prefer that my surgeon think a bit longer than five seconds in fact

Military ATC is NOT necessarily like civilian. I've met some very fine military controllers who had a good and varied backround. I've also met some who had, how shall I put this, the same three days experience 300 times in a row if you get my drift. They might not be bad controllers, but we really don't know until they get a few hundred different experiences thrown at them.

There IS stress in the job. But stress is dfferent things to different people. Some people just thrive on stress. I think you'll find many controllers at the busiest facilities are like that. If they didn't, they wouldn't last long. Lots of divorces, but the drinking has gone WAY down from 20-30 years ago. We get random testing just like airline crews, plus the average age is getting up there, like 45 ish. Besides, alcohol interferes with my Diabetes medication........

Many people would think that bad weather is stressful, but in my own case, I LOVE 500 and 2. Just so long as there's not much convective activity. I have more fun vectoring a bunch of pros to parallel ILSs than just about anything else. Pros are predictable and easy to serve. On the other hand, Thunderstorms mean nothing's predictable. The wind may change 180 degrees and 30 kts in two minutes. Three pilots will deviate east around a cell, and the next will insist on going NW. Three will report light-moderate, and the next severe turbulence. Just as soon as you get a plan in place, you have to change it. That's stress.

Also, a holiday weekend with good weather can be a real bear because every flying farmer and his brother Earl are out there and you know the frequency is going to be just barely manageable. People stepping on each other's transmissions and read-backs, lousy scratchy radios, sorry transponders, sight-seers, gliders, jumpers, banner tows, cops, traffic reporters, surveys, photographers, students, flight tests, and Mom and Pop taking the kids to Grandma's, you name it. It get's VERY frustrating at times. It's like flying the most poorly maintained aircraft you ever saw. You have no idea what's gonna break next, and how you're gonna troubleshoot the problem. Just keep the greasy side down and try to keep the airspeed around Va. That radio frequency is to a controller what the control column is to a pilot. When you hear a frequency become nearly unmanageable, that's a BAD sign. Everyone's just along for the ride. If you hear a controller get curt at such times, please try to excuse him/her. It's like wrestling the wheel away from a goofy passenger.

That's my perspective as a terminal controller. I generally like my job, and won't complain about the pay and benefits. 70% of the time, I'm probably over paid, 25% of the time, I'm paid what I'm worth, and 5% of the time, I ought to get about three times what I'm paid, so it evens out, just like lots of other jobs......
 
fLYbUDDY said:
Well if you want the most accelerated then you would have to go with the MARC program. It is like 6 months and will get you a direct job to a facility. From my understanding you even bypass having to go to OKC and train at the FAA academy (however, I can't confirm the validity of that.)

I have heard that the MARC program can be pretty intense though. I think it has either a high washout rate or is really hard to get into. But I'm sure if you are as determined as you sound you will make it happen.

Probably the next fastest route to ATCin would be a 2 year school (like CCBC.) Military might be very fast, but that's a whole different thread.

Keep in mind with the MARC program you can only go to a Center facility, but I have heard once you get in the system it is just a matter of transferring.

I hope everything works out for you!
:)
thanks for the info, where is MARC? is that in Minnesota? Any idea how expensive the school is and how expensive it is to live there while attending school?
 
The MARC program is a separate thing from CTI. Here is the link for the MARC program:

http://db.mctc.mnscu.edu/airTraffic/

The CTI (Collage Training Initiative) deal is that there are 13 collages that have an FAA approved course to become an ATCer. Some schools are two year collages some are four year universities. Here is a link to the FAA's website that has the list of approved schools. (I think someone has already posted it but I'll post it again anyway.)

http://www1.faa.gov/careers/employment/atc.htm

Many thanks to ATCER and Vector4fun for sharing your on-the-job experiences and info. Also thanks to anyone else who has or will contribute to these kinds of threads. Your comments and info is priceless.



:)
 
One more thing and I swear I'll stop hijacking this thread. If somebody goes through an emerg. code enroute to the assigned code, is ATC's alarm only on when the person is actually on that code? Or does it stay on once its tripped?

Hopefully this question can be understood. Thanks for all the info.
 
1. A lifetime supply of Maalox Plus.
2. An extra-large tube of Preparation H
3. Coke bottle glasses
4. A Hearing Aid
5. Size 42 waist trousers
6. Unlimited supply of cigarettes and Maxwell House Coffee
7. Superior command of sarcasm, patronization, ad lib, lousy sense of humor. Especially if you work in ROA.

Regards,

ex-Navy rotorhead

P.S. meant as a tongue in cheek. not flamebait. ATC and the FAA are there to help, right??? yeah...Right
 
Kaman said:
1. A lifetime supply of Maalox Plus.
2. An extra-large tube of Preparation H
3. Coke bottle glasses
4. A Hearing Aid
5. Size 42 waist trousers
6. Unlimited supply of cigarettes and Maxwell House Coffee
7. Superior command of sarcasm, patronization, ad lib, lousy sense of humor. Especially if you work in ROA.

Regards,

ex-Navy rotorhead

P.S. meant as a tongue in cheek. not flamebait. ATC and the FAA are there to help, right??? yeah...Right

huh?
 
Controller Stress= Having a couple of Aero Postal, Aeroflot, and assorted South American Cargo carriers arrive in Miami App. at 17:30 with a stuck mike and TRW sliding close to the app and dep corridors. Throw in the American deciding late they have to have 9R. And for a kicker, changing the airport around. Been sitting in the cockpit and decided to do 10 mile legs in peace and let the nut house simmer down. App. controllers EARN the money they make. Clearance delivery would drive a sane person crazy, especially with the A**Holes which are out there these days.
 
If someone joined the MARC program, could they change to a Terminal position once hired? The website says no, but there was talk on this thread that once in the system then all it takes is a transfer. What's the real deal?
 
Going through MARC there are 2 possible ways to get to the terminal environment.

1 - Go through MARC, get hired into an ARTCC, get fully certified (FPL) and then bid out to a Terminal facility.

2 - Go through MARC, get hired into an ARTCC, and fail out of training. Now, this is not the best route, but one that some take either on purpose or that's the way the cards fall. If you fail out the FAA is not required to place you somewhere else, they legally can terminate you. Most times (and I mean 99.9%) the union gets the person a lower level facility. (tower) where they then have the chance to certify (FPL) and then bid up to a Terminal facility.

Hope that helps.
 
center

i used to think i'd rather eat bugs than go to work in a center, now i just wish i had a job!:D

i cant remember just how much my 2 semesters were at ccbc, but the majority of people go to towers instead of centers, although i had a few classmates who went to a center, specifically n90, although they requested it (they lived in nyc) and they dont turn down anybody that wants n90. a couple also went to cleveland center, and one to san juan. the rest of my class are mostly in the great lakes region. if you have any questions about cost at ccbc, look up their website and call paul arnholt, he's the program head.
 
Has anyone done the Aviation Technology at Purdue university?
I guess this qualifies for ATC training
 
2LT ... you make some excellent points. Transferring facilites is no small task at times. But... it depends on where you want to go.

N90 (New York Tracon) is an easy one to transfer to... they will take any warm body that wants to transfer there. To get out is another story. There are other facilites around the country that are like that, Atlanta Center, Oakland Center, New York Center, to name a few. There are other ways like hardships, grievances, etc, but that's a whole different story.

As for trying to figure out who from what school goes where... forget it, you work for the Gov't long enough you realize there is no method to the way they do things.

Keep in mind, the training in MARC and OKC is not to train you to work traffic, it's to judge if you can be trained ... once you report to your facility is when the real training begins.

The best advice I can give is to get your foot in the door. Once inside you will see how the system works and learn how you can work the system for yourself.

Good Luck
 

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