What did SAPA do about this?!

[Nevets]

He is a brasilia pilot....
and I do remember the whole reimbursement thing... I didnt care because i had mine already and I use it for personal travel

So he knows first hand what its like not to have a raise. Not even a COLA type "raise."

My question is what did SAPA do about it? Nothing? What?

No one has answered yet on this thread. Not one person has even tried to answer that question!

 

[MYFpilot]

I am for a union just not ALPA. They have one interest: MONEY!

This may be your last chance for a Union at SkyWest for a while. If this thing fails the only shot we will have is an independent in-house (AKA 2004 UPA), 2 - 3 years from now. There is no way at the regional level that would ever work. ALPA has already spent more money on us than they'll get back in dues for quite a while, if ever. They don't want us for the money, they want us for the 2600+ pilots. Strength is in numbers. Here's another thing to think about. If ALPA, for whatever reason, doesn't work out a simple 50% + 1 would bring in Teamsters, UPA or whomever else would better represent us. As of now we are "UN-REPRESENTED" don't waste this opportunity to change it. Ask your self this, If ALPA was free would you vote yes?

 

[UncleRico]

What did ALPA do for me at my previous carrier? Nothing? What? No one has answered that yet on this thread. Not one person has even tried to answer that question!

 

[Gr82Aviate]

What did ALPA do for me at my previous carrier? Nothing? What? No one has answered that yet on this thread. Not one person has even tried to answer that question!

That's because you never stated who your previous carrier was, nor do you seem to ever come up with any legit arguments against ALPA!

 

[AWACoff]

Uncle Rio, Unions help those who help themselves.

That may sound all biblical and whatnot...but tell us this. When was the last time you got involved with YOUR union? You are part of the union. They don't do anything for you. You (along with your fellow pilots) do for yourselves. You are most likely one of the whiners who wants everybody else to do all the work and then complain when you don't get what you want. If you want change, you have to get involved. It must be hard going through life wondering why everybody doesn't bow to your every desire. Get involved or get trampled on by corporate America.

 

[Hawkeyeguy]

Everyone knows someone at SkyWest, call them and encourage them to vote. If they have questions encourage them to contact someone at the SkyWest ALPA OC.

Thanks for your help and support.

Hawkeyeguy

 

[skypine69]

The latest KB letter should make every one want to vote yes. The guy is unbeleivable with the crap he spouts!

 

[Bus-Driver]

Please, encourage Skywest pilot's not to vote. We don't want a third party on our property.

 

[EBE]

I am for a union just not ALPA. They have one interest: MONEY!

I am for skywest just not "corporate" skywest. They have one interest: money!

 

[Nevets]

What did ALPA do for me at my previous carrier? Nothing? What? No one has answered that yet on this thread. Not one person has even tried to answer that question!

ALPA has done many things for all of us even before we were born! And they continue to champion safety whether or not you are member. Has TCAS or GPWS ever given you a warning? You can thank ALPA for that!

But don't forget that ALPA is run by VOLUNTEERS! Yes, except for the president, EVERYONE is a volunteer. They do NOT get compensated for doing ALPA work. Most of the volunteers sacrifice their time at home/overnight and even lose days off helping their fellow pilot. If you didn't get the help you feel you needed, I am sorry. I'm sure there was a good reason why a volunteer couldn't help you the way you wanted.

I hope you reconsider and vote for ALPA. Then you may have the chance to help out and make it so that no one else has your experience at Skywest.

 

[Nevets]

Please, encourage Skywest pilot's not to vote. We don't want a third party on our property.

Third party? You are the third party already!!! You just don't know it yet.

Shareholders
Management
Everyone else

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Please, encourage Skywest pilot's not to vote. We don't want a third party on our property.

Jerry has a contract with the Skywest BOD. He has a lawyer who gives him council on negotiating said contract...

Jerry can have a contract... but he doesn't want you to have a contract... what is good for Jerry is not for you...

 

[jea]

ALPA has done many things for all of us even before we were born! And they continue to champion safety whether or not you are member. Has TCAS or GPWS ever given you a warning? You can thank ALPA for that!
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WOW did they invent the internet too? ohhh no that was al gore... wait.. was he alpa? i dont know it must have been before i was born...
I do like the new gold stickers... "alpa, 75 years of pilots in command" see im justified... only an fo.. sic for me!

 

[Nevets]

ALPA has done many things for all of us even before we were born! And they continue to champion safety whether or not you are member. Has TCAS or GPWS ever given you a warning? You can thank ALPA for that!
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WOW did they invent the internet too? ohhh no that was al gore... wait.. was he alpa? i dont know it must have been before i was born...
I do like the new gold stickers... "alpa, 75 years of pilots in command" see im justified... only an fo.. sic for me!

No, they did not invent the internet or claim to. And Gore was not ALPA.

Do you not believe me? Was I not justified and writing factual information?

Here is something ALPA has done in your lifetime - CrewPass. You can thank the dues paying members of ALPA when it comes to an airport near you.

 

[Nevets]

how do you know? that is purely speculation, and a best case scenario.

truth is, the majority here don't want to be the next AWAC. I'm sure you've see this: http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/

From the ALPA Fastread:

Air Wisconsin pilots, frustrated by their management’s refusal to meaningfully address the problems that have arisen since they began flying as US Airways Express, have launched a “Do I Have a Future Here” strategic campaign. The pilots are especially dissatisfied with recent antilabor measures that Air Wisconsin management has implemented, including stringent enforcement of an attendance policy that imposes discipline on pilots who are legitimately ill, unilateral changes in long-standing policies that have affected pilot pay, schedules that are unproductive and that make commuting very difficult for the pilots, and dilatory processing of grievances.

With the help of ALPA staff, the MEC developed the strategic initiative to put pressure on management to meaningfully address the pilots’ concerns and to compel management to make the changes that will be necessary if Air Wisconsin intends to attract and retain its pilots. The initiative includes the launch of a hugely successful website www.DoIHaveAFutureHere.org.

NOTHING stops Skywest management from using the same tactics (and it sounds like they use it some people already). The difference is that without a union, there is NOTHING you can do about it. The AWAC guys have federal law and a legally binding contract on their side and when it gets heard by an arbitrator, he/she will provide justice.

 

[USCtrojan]

What did ALPA do for me at my previous carrier? Nothing? What? No one has answered that yet on this thread. Not one person has even tried to answer that question!

Who was your last Carrier? How many Union meetings did you attend to gather information and bring about change? How many Committees did you serve on? My guess is you never attended even 1 meeting and you certainly didn't serve.

Trojan

 

[homerjdispatch]

What is the assesment to pilots at OO when Alpa is voted in? Or is it just start paying 1.95%?

 

[Dubya]

I'm curious to know why we aren't hearing so much from the ASA group after their 5 years of negotiating.

Also, noone yet can explain to me why pilots have been leaving their ALPA represented regionals ...2nd, 3rd, even 4th year pay...to go to SkyWest. Just upgrade?

I sit squarely on the fence begging for someone to convince me...beyond a reasonable doubt...that ALPA will IMPROVE this airline. I am all for your so called "enforceable contract"...but what will the culture be like...and how much will we give up to get that...not to mention 2%.

One of you math gurus out there give us some rough figures.....3000 pilots, avg. salary x 2%? Then tell me it's not about the money. It's ALWAYS about money, union or management.

I keep hearing the words of my dear old grandpa...."Boy, if it ain't broke......"

I respect everyones opinion and choice...regardless of the outcome...lets keep OO a fine workplace.

W

 

[Nevets]

What is the assesment to pilots at OO when Alpa is voted in? Or is it just start paying 1.95%?

No assessment. After about 6 months of a membership drive, those who choose to become members will pay 1.95% of gross income (after medical and 401k) in dues. Also, keep in mind that ALL dues money is tax deductible.

 

[USCtrojan]

I'm curious to know why we aren't hearing so much from the ASA group after their 5 years of negotiating.

Also, noone yet can explain to me why pilots have been leaving their ALPA represented regionals ...2nd, 3rd, even 4th year pay...to go to SkyWest. Just upgrade?

I sit squarely on the fence begging for someone to convince me...beyond a reasonable doubt...that ALPA will IMPROVE this airline. I am all for your so called "enforceable contract"...but what will the culture be like...and how much will we give up to get that...not to mention 2%.

One of you math gurus out there give us some rough figures.....3000 pilots, avg. salary x 2%? Then tell me it's not about the money. It's ALWAYS about money, union or management.

I keep hearing the words of my dear old grandpa...."Boy, if it ain't broke......"

I respect everyones opinion and choice...regardless of the outcome...lets keep OO a fine workplace.

W

Most of the guys that left ASA (that I know) to go to SkyWest wanted to live in the West. They didn't want to move back East. Your not hearing much because there is another forum we are discussing it.

Trojan