What did SAPA do about this?!

[Jmoney]

Experiences?

true. in fact, according to the OC, the biggest stumbling block they have is pilots who have come from ALPA regionals, and based on their experiences do not want it here.

I see you are getting worked up again, moron! Only some mgmt slob could possibly find the spare time to come here and attempt to shoot down every single pro-ALPA post.
-I can't wait to see you get your retard butt handed to you!

-Get some-beee-atch!

 

[Bus-Driver]

If you haven't been at SKYW very long then you don't know that passports were not originally a reqiurement for the job, nor was the FCC license. They recently became requirements and we were not reimbursed. It doesn't matter if you use your passport outside of work or not, not everyone had one and they were forced to get one on their own dime. It sounds like a small complaint, but it is the small things that add up.

We used to not get paid for training, then we did, then we didn't, now we do again. We used have single occupancy hotel rooms, now we have double occupancy (new hire training only). We used to have to pay for our new hire uniforms, now we don't. We used to have to buy our Jepps and binders, now????? The point is that Skywest changes their requirements and what they do and do not pay for all the time. We need reimbursements and expenses in a legally binding contract.

Union contracts often include reimbursements for

Medicals (SKYW does not)
Dry Cleaning (SKYW does not)
Passports (SKYW does not)

Now consider that adds up to a few hundred extra dollars a year and consider the fact that my benefits this year cost a few hundred dollars more than last year. Every little bit counts. And it was those little bits in addition to the larger issues that the Contract Study Committee addressed unlike SAPA.

You kind of got screwed then, because I got reimbursed for mine. I believe it's the newhires that are coming in after the fact have to provide the passport and FCC prior to interview. Good try though

 

[EBE]

SAPA doesn't do much but 2 1/2 years of ALPA dues didn't get me anything either.

What was it you were expecting to get?

I haven't had to use my car insurance yet, maybe I should cancel that.

 

[UncleRico]

I was expecting honest answers and at least a little effort to make things better. Having meetings in exotic locations really makes it hard to believe that they were involved in meaningful discussions on how to improve the quality of life for the pilots they represent. Telling me to grieve it and wait isn't very pro-active leadership.

 

[Nevets]

Like I said too many what ifs. JO is not running the show.

Well you can get rid of that what-if and many others if the ALPA drive is successful. Wont have to worry as much about the next CEO if you have a NMB certified union representing Skywest pilots.

 

[UncleRico]

Oh yeah and conference calls are the usual meeting for them. So it was hard to actually be present at a meeting.

 

[UncleRico]

I am for a union just not ALPA. They have one interest: MONEY!

 

[Nevets]

You kind of got screwed then, because I got reimbursed for mine. I believe it's the newhires that are coming in after the fact have to provide the passport and FCC prior to interview. Good try though

So its okay to throw the new hires overboard since you got yours? What is next? A B-scale. Oh wait, the Brasilia pilots were already thrown overboard with their defacto B scale.

 

[Nevets]

Oh yeah and conference calls are the usual meeting for them. So it was hard to actually be present at a meeting.

That's because conference calls save money. You could have asked for the number.

 

[Nevets]

I am for a union just not ALPA. They have one interest: MONEY!

What money? The ONLY pilot who is on the ALPA payroll it the president of the union.

By thew way, IPA, SWAPA, NPA, and even APA all pay for ALPA services.

 

[UncleRico]

Did you hear about the uproar that ALPA had from within about two years ago. The ALPA national employees (secretaries, lobbyists, etc.) get paid. ALPA is just as big of a business as the airline you work for today.

 

[Nevets]

Did you hear about the uproar that ALPA had from within about two years ago. The ALPA national employees (secretaries, lobbyists, etc.) get paid. ALPA is just as big of a business as the airline you work for today.

Of course ALPA has staffers, attorneys, lobbyists. Do you think they would work for free? I'm saying that the ONLY PILOT on ALPA payroll is the president. Also, its the Executive Council that sets pay rates for ALL ALPA staff including the president.

 

[UncleRico]

Pilot or not it takes money to run that business. Unfortunately I don't feel that they have my best interest nor yours at hand.

 

[Nevets]

Pilot or not it takes money to run that business. Unfortunately I don't feel that they have my best interest nor yours at hand.

It takes money to run the business you work for also. Do you think the management has more of an interest in the pilots than ALPA?

 

[UncleRico]

In a corporate run world I think they both have about the same amount of interest in us.

 

[Nevets]

In a corporate run world I think they both have about the same amount of interest in us.

In a corporate run world, labor is just an expense item.

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They even compare you to percent of revenue.

Edit: It didn't cut and past well but here is the link.
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001104659-07-060228&Type=HTML

 

[UncleRico]

I am sure if ALPA was required to file with the SEC they would compare us to a percent of revenue. It is nice to know that OO shows where the money goes. ALPA on the other hand has not shown its pilots where their dues go. I am pretty sure most members would be pissed knowing where their hard earned 2% ends up.

 

[Nevets]

I am sure if ALPA was required to file with the SEC they would compare us to a percent of revenue. It is nice to know that OO shows where the money goes. ALPA on the other hand has not shown its pilots where their dues go. I am pretty sure most members would be pissed knowing where their hard earned 2% ends up.

I guess yo haven't hear of the Labor-Management Reporting and Disclosure Act of 1959. You can find out all about ALPA on the Department of Labor web page. And you can read the law on the skywestalpa.org web page because ALPA is not trying to hide anything.
http://www.skywestalpa.org/documents/lmrda.pdf

And for those who want to know how the 1.95% of your dues are appriated (I've already posted here before but I'll post it again), here is the link. It is on the skywestalpa.org web page. Again, ALPA is NOT trying to hide anything. Otherwise they wouldn't make it convinient for you to find these documents on their web page.
http://www.skywestalpa.org/documents/Dues.Dollar.Allocation.pdf


As for Skywest showing were the money goes, they only do it because they are publicly held company. If they were privately owned, I'm 100% sure they wouldn't because they would not be required. AND the SEC does NOT require companies them to compare their labor costs to revenue (its simple math that any analysts can do if they really wanted to know). They do it to show off.

 

[Hawkeyeguy]

Please all of you out there, take a minute and call the Skywest pilots you know and encourage them to vote.

Thank you for your support!

 

[jea]

So its okay to throw the new hires overboard since you got yours? What is next? A B-scale. Oh wait, the Brasilia pilots were already thrown overboard with their defacto B scale.

He is a brasilia pilot....
and I do remember the whole reimbursement thing... I didnt care because i had mine already and I use it for personal travel