Well, today was the day

[zasca]

Individual airport authorities determine the level of screening required for on duty crew members and airport employees, NOT the TSA. Go complain to the airport manager if you don't like the Security experience. Not that it will do any good. Of course, please don't try anything stupid at the airports that require no screening at all... So few of them left!

On a side note. Just passed through Baltimore crewpass and it took me longer to get through security than the flight attendant... I think the lesson is "don't give technology to imbeciles. It undermines any possible increased efficiency...."

 

[densoo]

I don't understand why we the pilots who have FBI background checks and have access to the most dangerous " weapon" need to go through anything more than the metal dectors.

We don't even have to go through the metal detectors. In fact, the TSA doesn't require crewmembers to go through the bag check security line at all. But since everyone has to screened in some way, they do need an alternative if we don't. FFDOs, LAS, and SIDA badges are all examples of allowed alternatives. However, if the airport does not provide the allowed alternative, then bag-check security is the only place to go.

Blame first the airports and even more the cheap airlines that could get the airports to provide one of the allowed alternatives for a price.

Blame second ALPA for not using part of the 100s of millions of dollars we send them to lobby for and demand crewpass.

The only quick solution would be for 60 Minutes to run an expose showing how ridiculous and shameful it is for crewmembers to "cut" in front of first class passengers, handicapped, the elderly, and just normal people who had to show up at the airport two hours early; all because the airlines are too darn cheap to treat their passengers with some simple respect. The resulting shame and passenger-bill-of-rights type drill might fix it.

The long solution is to wait until you're 65 and retire.

 

[Bjammin]

At some point our credentials and uniform are good enough to get us into the cockpit of an airliner and actually lock the door from the business end with many, many people behind us who REALLY don't know who we are. That trust in us should extend to the front door of the airport. I have NO problem showing my airline ID card to someone in authority, but once they clear me THAT SHOULD BE IT!!! The trust in me should start then, no screening, no metal detectors, nothing! The maintenance van outside my jet has many types of "weapons" I could choose from or I could have all the flamable liquid I want in the form of Jet A. If TSA trusts me to be around that stuff while on my walkaround then what's the point of trying to stop me from bringing that stuff through security?

We have to figure this out!

 

[Lowrider717]

There is a Ben Franklin Quote out there that sums this up perfectly.

Actually Sam Adams does a pretty nice job...

[FONT=bookman old style, new york, times, serif]"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders"[/FONT]
-Samuel Adams-

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Take off your f'n shoes and go through the scanner. Done.

 

[Tarquinn]

Take off your f'n shoes and go through the scanner. Done.

Read the previous post...

 

[Lowrider717]

Dude quit causing trouble, we have grunt people just trying to do what they are told. This is the best we have right now to keep us alive. Who gives a shat, go through the scanner. You are barking up the wrong tree. If you really care talk to your congressman and write the TSA. Don't take it out on the airport workers, they didn't write the rules. As a pilot you should know that better than anyone.
I'm betting if you were on the Delta flight on Christmas you would feel different about the inconvenience. If it helps keep the people who are trying to kill everyone off our flights, giddy up. Go through the motions and quit causing trouble for the rest of us. Or you all can continue with your change the world, naive, childish rants.

Monster Buck either took the blue pill or is still asleep in the Matrix.

The red pill... www.infowars.com because there's a war on for your mind.

WAKE UP MONSTER BUCK!

 

[CitationLover]

Terrorism has to be the most over blown "threat" to this country ever made up. Solar refraction almost sent the Soviet Union to the brink of annihilating us, but because of 4 airliners we turn into the biggest wusses on the planet? Franklin's quote is so right in this time and age. Republicans and Democrats signed over our Constitutional rights through various measures (including the Patriot Act) in the name of "safety". We lap all this up, while companies and their lobbyists make money by selling these stupid scanners. It amazes me how frightened we are of Iran getting one nuke, when we grew up with an enemy who had thousands of them.

Kudos to standing up for your Constitutional rights (to the OP). EVERY government official (including the TSA) SWORE AN OATH TO DEFEND THAT DOCUMENT (not this country or its people).

Look in the mirror, we are Rome. History is repeating itself.

 

[Axel]

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[RedBeard]

You talked too much. If your intention was to not enter the facility based on what you had to go through, you should have shut your mouth except for these words: Am I Free To Go?

 

[CA1900]

I like the Latin quote at the bottom:

Malo Periculosam Libertatem Quam Quietum Servitium
"I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery."

 

[pylut]

Screening pilots in the same manner as passengers is a waste of resourses. Why frisk me, take my nail clippers then put me in the pointing end of the jet. Makes no sense.

The issue with pilots is not what we have in our bag, it's a question of identification..."are we who we say we are?"

So develop some sort of fail safe ID, retina scan or some other means of foolproof identification and skip the bag searching nonsense.

Besides has the TSA ever identified 1 single terrorist prior to him boarding an aircraft?

 

[waka]

Monster Buck either took the blue pill or is still asleep in the Matrix.

The red pill... www.infowars.com because there's a war on for your mind.

WAKE UP MONSTER BUCK!

Infowars.com.....a website that perpetuates the Chemtrail conspiracy or the "911 Was an Inside Job" BS. Oh yeah, this site screams credibility!

 

[waka]

SpatialD, you're like Rosa Parks! :beer:

I hope that all turns out well for you.

 

[CTflyer]

well, i am with you on this one....screening pilots is a joke and actually detracts from screening since it wastes time. since a pilot does need a weapon of any sort to cause damage, how do you screen the pilot? we know the tsa is a joke and the tsa knows we know they are a joke, so they like to harass us.

The screwed up part of all this....Flight crews go thru security and yet when I go to work at JFK(jetblue) the Airport Ops guys can bypass security and go right to the ramp....
I still cant figure out how they are allowed to bypass and then go to work loading bags on a plane and yet I have to "pull out my laptop" all the damn time........
Its annoying....

 

[N2264J]

TSA's purpose with uniformed crew members is not to find out if have anything illegal or dangerous, it is to find out if you are submissive to their authority.

What TSA does in regard to security is all show business.

The fact is that we are further down the road to fascism than any of us care to believe.

 

[inline]

Your best bet for fighting it would be the ACLU, obviously. But even they aren't taking on this one from what I can tell.

It's hard to accept the new reality of how much "civil liberty" we give up at airports in the post 9-11 world. I don't blame you for drawing a line, but my gut tells me you're eventually going to have to decide between your career and your civil liberty principles.

Call me "Brainwashed", but if the AITs stop one terrorist act in my lifetime, then all the screenings were worth it.

The "where will the line be drawn" argument is moot. We can fight new technologies as they emerge, and if a true consensus agrees it's gone too far, it can be halted right then and there. (the robot anal probe machine). The consensus agrees (at least tacitly) that this is not too great a breach of our liberties based on the benefit we receive.

Good luck to you though, that sounded like a really crappy day.

The ACLU? You're kidding right?

 

[islandhoper]

It is obvious that CrewPass is the only answer to this situation. Maybe another solution would be the implementation of a Standard National ID. We can't really train the TSA guys into recognizing the 30something airline IDs around the country. Maybe that way we can avoid having to wear the uniform just to save our tooth paste...

Until then, say no to the scanner but comply with the secondary... And tell the Fa's not to f*ck up by bringing illegal substances through. It just fuels the opposition against us...

 

[Monster Buck]

I'm really sad that Delta hired you. And a little surprised.

However, they did hire a bunch of pretty questionable people in 07/08. Around your time, maybe?

Its really sad that Delta wouldn't hire you. Not surprised. However you got on anyway with the merger right?

 

[crxpilot]

Well while we are being distracted with the smurfs and their new toy, the real thing we should be concerned about is Obama's desire for his own private army:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1947736/why_does_obama_need_a_private_army.html

And yes, watch the video link on the article provided, it comes out of Obamas mouth, not some nut job.